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Hey wait a minute… that car has windows on it!
Windows on Linux though. Guy probably has Wine in his cup holder.
Police pulled him over for drunk driving but he insisted that what he had was not wine, but in fact an assembly of protons.
How does Microsoft manage to be both ahead and behind the curve? A decade before Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, they already were doing the same thing, and somehow blew it?
Windows CE in general blows me away how the underlying tech is fundamentally the same as modern smartphones (system is a ROM, had ARM support, goes to sleep by default) and Microsoft was still too slow to react to the iPhone. God I miss my PDA.
Most cars already run on Linux
Ironically, my cars don’t run Linux for the same reason my computers do: I’m militant about protecting my property rights and privacy, so I refuse to have any car new enough to have “infotainment” because it’s all closed-source and Tivoized. It’s effectively hostile, despite the Linux kernel at the bottom of it.
I’ll buy a car made after the mid-2000s when I can re-flash the whole thing with non-DRM’d community-supported software, and not a minute before.
I mean; there’s nothing stopping you from using a car from an earlier era; and bodging in an Android Tablet into your dashboard as an infotainment system.
The thing doesn’t need to be concerned with your climate controls or anything else on your CAN bus for security reasons anyways. So you can leave those controls as they are and just let the tablet replace your Radio effectively for 100% DRM free media enjoyment with your favorite fully rooted and flashed tablet running whatever FLOSS version of Android firmware you like.
Personally there’s just certain controls in a car I firmly believe should NEVER be digitized anyways.
I’m in the same boat. So much that I just paid a bunch to replace the transmission of my 2012… I could probably have not done that and invested in something newer, but I don’t… want that…
I’ll stick with just getting more of this exact car when this one isn’t repairable anymore (it has telemetry, but it can’t be accessed without plugging in directly, which isn’t typically a huge concern I have) Or when they can be flashed, as you say. Like I’d love to have an EV because I rarely drive far, but I absolutely won’t buy a spymobile to get one.
That’ll literally never happen due to testing and safety requirements.
Yeah, just like how DIYing car repairs and modifications has been illegal for decades now.
…oh wait.
Back in reality, yet again “X but on a computer” is not somehow magically different from “X”, and pretending it is as an excuse to curtail property rights is nothing but authoritarian fearmongering.
You literally cannot mess with your emissions system legally… nor can you disable or modify certain safety systems (seat belts, etc). Software that goes into vehicles requires validation testing. You might be fine doing 1 off things, but there will never be a “flash able” car on the market that let’s you bring your own software, and honestly I’m good with that. I don’t need your massive multiple ton machine bluescreening down the highway or locking up the breaks randomly because you installed the wrong module.
You literally cannot mess with your emissions system legally…
First of all, that’s a Clean Air Act thing with limited purpose and scope, not a blanket restriction on owners’ right to modify their property. Moreover, it is certainly not a restriction imposed and enforced by manufacturers that somehow justifies making the software closed-source and DRM’d. I want to make it clear here that, by supporting closed-source vehicle software, what you are really supporting is private enforcement of laws instead of government enforcement of laws, which is incredibly fucked up.
Second, it is not true that the act of messing with the emissions system is itself illegal. What’s illegal is the act of using the vehicle on public roads afterwards. You can use your emissions-system-modified car off-road or on private property (e.g. farms or racetracks) all you want.
Third, the way that law is implemented is, frankly, bad and wrong anyway. Instead of saying that parts need to be EPA-certified (or, in practice, CARB-certified) to be legal to use and that the ECU has to report “ready,” what it should do is say you can modify it however you want but that it has to pass a real “stick-a-probe-in-the-tailpipe-and-actually-fucking-measure” emissions test instead of a bullshit “visually inspect and plug a computer into the OBD2 port” test.
…nor can you disable or modify certain safety systems (seat belts, etc).
No, that’s a lie. It is perfectly legal to swap your factory seat belts for a DOT-approved and properly-installed four-point racing harness, for instance.
I don’t need your massive multiple ton machine bluescreening down the highway or locking up the breaks randomly because you installed the wrong module.
That sort of thing could already happen for decades due to people fucking up their mechanical modification of the brakes, yet that’s always been allowed. In practice, it isn’t actually a widespread problem because people aren’t actually as suicidally moronic as you seem to think they are, and that isn’t going to magically change just because a computer is involved. Your argument is nothing but exactly the kind of fearmongering that I’m calling bullshit on.
sounds like jailbreaks are needed then
Until recently, I had a Ford Flex.
The only thing I didn’t like about it was the proud “powered by Microsoft” emblem (and its implications).
The entertainment system might run something windows based, but there are dozens of microcontrollers that do run linux.
Sure, and for the eight years I owned it before it broke down beyond being worth repairing, I had no problem with those. The infotainment system did kinda suck, but it was a 2014 so I think it would get some leeway for that even if it weren’t Microsoft powered.
The emblem just offended my sensibilities. I never pulled it off, though, because the friends who rode with me all knew how passionately I feel about Linux (they mostly also work with it - I try not to proselytize to the disinterested) and found it funny.
According to KBB, the car was worth $8k when it broke down. I put almost double that into repairing the same part of the engine at three different mechanics before giving up. Sadly, for some silly reason, Ford no longer makes the Flex. I think the Explorer is pretty close, but I couldn’t find one close enough to test drive. I would have loved to convert my car to an EV, but I wouldn’t trust my own work on that front and didn’t want to pay as much as would cost to have a professional do it.
Every time I get into my new vehicle - a 2024 Ford Edge - I think to myself how much I miss the Flex. That said, I did get a great deal on the Edge.
SYNC 4 is QNX, the next gen units like the one in the new Lincoln Nautilis is QNX + Android with some Linux on other ECUs. MS is firmly gone from Ford vehicles.
This is useful information and the depth of your knowledge is impressive. Not that I expect operating system expertise from a car salesperson who has no reason to have any, but my salesperson told me it was still Microsoft. Thank you.
Suddenly I miss the Flex just a tiny, tiny bit less.
There’s zero MS in the stack on anything with SYNC4 and newer. Your salesperson is wrong. Even development is largely done on Ubuntu. SYNC 4 has two front ends, one’s Qt which has some Panasonic outsourcing baggage, the newer one is web based. The latter is what’s in the Mach-e. Since about 2017 all of this has moved in house. Ford hired the whole BlackBerry mobile R&D org in late 2016 - people, offices and everything. It’s had an honest-to-god software org since then.
Your Flex probably had the older SYNC iteration that was MS developed. BTW I’m not sure if it was Windows based or whether it was QNX with MS devs creating the software stack on top of it.
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of
scienceinfotainment development?
Well you can tell they don’t use arch because there’s no humblebrag sticker
This? This the car of a Slackware enjoyer.
“Linux femboy? Wha- oh nevermind.”
-Me after seeing way too many c/unixsocks posts.
It is a Subaru tho
Same, I think about cute boys too much :3
Oh no the tool isn’t working
Not accurate, im Transfem and I think about cute girls significantly more often :3
you cannot see too many c/unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone posts, unless in interferes with ricing distros.
Bold of you to assume a lemmy user would drive
I’ll have to get linux stickers for my bike instead. Maybe I should install a hub dynamo and boot a pi zero with my pedal power every time I ride. Linux on my Linux bike.
Not gonna lie, the extent to which the motor, controller, etc. are proprietary is an important consideration for me when buying an e-bike. For example, I would rather have one that can’t connect to my phone etc. at all than one that can but requires a proprietary app.
(I also care about things like weird proprietary headset and bottom bracket hardware, on e-bikes and regular bikes alike.)
I wasn’t even talking about ebikes, but yeah, closed up and glued-together “smart” ebikes seem like a bad idea.
Are you even a Linux user if you don’t randomly wonder what operating system the person in front of you in traffic prefers? It’s a good thing that this person says “wonder no more.”
I actually don’t care to be honest.
I wonder if they have been a user since 1991. If so that’s pretty impressive. Given that would be the same year Linus send his infamous newsgroup email announcing his work to port Minix.
Infamous?
Haha, I guess it should be just famous, huh?
Maybe it’s cause I’m a dad now but this really resonates with me.
He has to be aware how niche his passion is, but he does it anyway in defiance.
where in jersey was this taken? i want to find this car
edit: not for sexual purposes
edit: not for sexual purposes
That’s clever, I like it
I hope he’s gone and cut the telemetry from this car… if not, I’d say poser.
This is the only way Bill Gates can go to the grocery store unaccosted.
If I had a car it would probably look like this
Real Linux aficionados don’t have cars; that would require leaving the basement.
I’m using Arch btw
I wonder what distro they use 🧐
Probably all of them, at one time or another.
I don’t see any Arch sticker. If it was Arch, it would be the biggest sticker.
Im willing to bet that the conversation that would start if you were to ask would only lead to regret
you either go back to windows, or turn into this guy. There is no 3rd option.
Unfortunately, MacOS is far more popular than it should be.
I deliberately said Windows instead of Mac, because all the apple users I know are the type of people who will never, ever try linux in the first place.
Yeah, that makes sense.
As someone who’s been a fan of Free Software since I first heard of it in the late '90s, I used and recommended Macs in the early 2000s because (at time, at least) Apple was leaning into the Unix-nature and BSD underpinnings of the thing and coming out with stuff like XServe and Automator.
Not so much these days, though. Apple’s pivot in ideology towards locked-down consumer crap like iOS and the App Store – even going so far as to ditch bash for zsh just because they hated GPLv3 – ruined it.
At least it follows Unix conventions so it’s real computing
I wonder if he uses arch.
At least one sticker would say so, so he’s isn’t
