This is a 12 year dream. I have always run a Windows workstation along side a Debian laptop. I am no stranger to Debian. I have a 12 year association with it. I am not a Linux wizard yet but have been adept with it.
Why not use Debian daily then? My personal computing usage unfortunately centered around consumption rather than creation. I watched videos, listened to podcasts, read technical articles, and browsed social media. On top of this, inertia and great software like Visual Studio, Notepad++, Excel, OneDrive held me back.
Visual Studio is an absolute must-have for all .NET developers. I built small pieces of complex web projects only occasionally. VS Code on Linux is decent for .NET development but it is not the same. Though Jetbrains Rider existed along-side, it is unthinkable to drop Visual Studio. At least for dark matter developers.
Notepad++ is a fabulous software program that had no complete alternatives on Linux. I used it for scripting, text manipulation, note taking, dumping and editing thoughts. Scintilla-based equivalents Geany, SciTE exist, but do not come close.
MS-Office Excel is another remarkable software program with no real alternatives in other ecosystems. It is worth the 5K INR per year. Organizing data, life planning, and creating simple reports are a few of its greatest capabilities. Also, the formulas system is amazing. OneDrive is another great and a utilitarian software program from the Microsoft stable.
So, why now? I had the most fun and growth when I built things. I love the independence that comes with the experience of building things. As far as I can remember, I was always a tinkerer, thinker, builder, doer and explorer. After a decade or so of inaction, I needed a change. A few things fell into place recently.
- Windows is about to get a whole lot more annoying. An increase in ads, baked-in Copilot, and a suffocating push to outlook user-linked usage.
- Jetbrains Rider became formidable now for CLI and web app development.
- I learnt enough of apt-pinning, backports and makedeb repository.
- The last straw is from an unexpected experience. I set up a Win 11 VM recently using the KVM+QEMU route. I noticed that the VM’s performance was quite responsive. KVM+QEMU despite all the pain felt worthy. I cannot recommend it enough.
Immediately I decided to remove Windows, install Debian with a Windows VM inside. I will write about various experiments and experiences over the next year. These are some of the sub-projects on my mind in no particular order.
- Write about this setup
- Implement a nice 3-2-1 backup strategy
- Write about significant alternatives
- Write about significant issues
- Linking to phone
- Configure monitoring, notifications and alerts
- Configure auto dark mode
- Find a way to play an old strategy game on Linux
Aw half the fun of linux is all the weird janky software some nerds felt strongly enough about to release.
Npp can be replaced by several different linux tools. You just have to like using the terminal a bit. Personally I get it. I know awk and sed and all those crunchy tools the olds made exist, but it’s not a crime to have it all in one place in a gui. That said it npp 1000% works under wine. Sublime Text has a linux version and all the plugins you could ever want if you’re willing to learn new ways of doing stuff you’ve already figured out. Vscodium is also a decent npp replacement. It’s fast, has a cli, and a great plugin ecosystem.
Excel is all hype. Unless you’re a data analyst or numbers nerd LibreOffice Calc has all the things. It’s not as performant as excel with large datasets, but it has formulas, pivot tables (though somewhat weird), and macros. It’s just ugly installed from the debian repo. Also if you’re paying for office you can probably still use excel in the browser.
OneDrive sucks, unless you are committed to the Microsoft ecosystem. If you find a suitable replacement for excel, you could always cancel your office subscription and setup a nextcloud instance. You can have it all hosted for you through nextcloud and they have web based office tools using LibreOffice. Their syncing app works on everything so you’ve got options. Or you can try to self-host it. I have a raspberry pi with an external hard drive attached running nextcloud, and a vpn. Reasonably stable, if slow.
I hope that outside of Visual Studio, you can completely free yourself of the windows ecosystem.
I’ve also recently switched to Linux Mint as my daily driver. Linux + Open-Source is finally in a really good spot. I tell people that switching OSes always takes new learning, but a step-by-step approach is a sustainable one.
Whenever I go back to Windows and see news and ads popping up in my Start Menu, etc, I realize how much shit we were putting up with even pre-Copilot. That’s not even including Microsoft Edge forcing itself back as a default program with each major update. It’s like the word “consent” doesn’t exist to those people.
Yes, great times for us. It takes time to get up to speed, but the important thing is to keep at it.
Welcome to the resistance! 😄
I did pretty much similar as you, but about a decade ago. Was it really Windows 8 at the time? 7 perhaps? Even then the OS was becoming increasingly bloated, and crudely implementing channels for Microsoft to milk data from users.
For me it wasn’t so much editors and development environment that kept me around, but the Adobe suite — specifically the lack of CMYK support in FLOSS alternatives. In the end I was quite happy to just find workarounds for the few print jobs I would have to do.
Quite often I think people are less resisting a new OS environment than the software available. “I couldn’t use the same shortcuts in [FLOSS package] as in [proprietary software], so I went back to Windows”…
I’m not exactly a hardcore Excel user myself, but I’d be interested to hear how your transition to LibreOffice (I guess the most viable alternative?) will work out.
Thank you for the welcome :)
My rationalization for LibreOffice Calc is — As I see it, I have never used too many formulas and the complex reporting, but for organizing data. For example, I had a sheet called large-purchases where I had listed down all the things I want to buy, and then tracked things estimated price, actually price, total amount remaining, etc. If you see, it is just a database table with a fancy entry and some calculations. So Calc can do all that simply and for something more, I can either learn more of Calc and/or just use a db and turn it into simple personal app.
Yeah, that was my thinking — that for most purposes LibreOffice will replace Microsoft Office fairly well. But I’m always keen to hear what bumps people run into when they switch from the latter. For you it seems there haven’t been any worth mentioning?
Glad to hear it’s gone so smoothly!
Yeah, my usage was not particularly deep. It would take while to see any issue, if at all. I would certwinly post here if there are any major troubles.
I just don’t get the love for notepad++
I started using it as my main back in 2006ish, I then switched to sublime text about 2011, then about 5-6 years ago to VSCode. All the time using vim for any in-terminal quick edits.
Notepad++ is easily my least favourite editor of the lot, by several miles, it just seems so rigid and clunky without even going into how it’s windows only. Every editor I’ve used since has been a huge improvement over the one prior IMO
Agree on all counts about Notepad++ “oldness”
- slower when we have 100 files open
- clunky
- rigid
- old GUI paradigms ( settings modal, find modal etc)
- inflexible and less customizable UI chrome area
Few things I like about Notepad++ enough to actually keep on using it on work workstations:
- Plugins ecosystem. I am too entrenched into it.
- PoormansSqlFormatter
- Tidy2
- JSTool
- XML Tools
- ComparePlus
- TextFx2
- great built-in editing operations
Edit > EOL - great bookmarking operations
- Very active development
- Way faster than VS Code for text manipulation tasks
Geany with Plugins with is great but misses out on the above stuff
Sublime is the only one and I could use it for a serious amount of time. I only went back because I could not often get it installed in some enterprises.
Cheers for the response, I appreciate it!
I’m curious about the plugins as obviously I’m not gonna be familiar with the notepad++ plugin ecosystem now—what’s special about the ones you listed?
Assuming edit EOL is just changing the line termination characters, all editors have that don’t they? Or does this not do what I think?
Intrigued about VSCode being slow for text manipulation too—I remember this being a big reason I dropped notepad++ for sublime and IMO VSCode and sublime more or less have parity on that front, particularly with vim bindings
VS Code has gotten really fast recently but it is more of a combination of having the right plugin (TextFX in this case) and the general fastness. Someone should ideally just port that TextFX. I thought about doing that a lot of times, but it was a lack of time + lack of skill issue :)
Again I do use VS Code for the occasional frontend work. It is great but for all heavy duty manipulation sometime really is off in VS Code. It could be that I haven’t out of inertia tried too much.
I don’t know if I can qualifiedly explain what it is about the plugins, they work well and have sane defaults. Notepad++ with all its custom panels, that plugins create a quite a clunkiness in there, but having those separate panels sometimes gives it a unique and flexible usage experience.
About the edit thing, there are just so many options that sometimes I forget that TextFx plugin exists. There are 100 or so options in that edit menu neatly categorized into sub menus like Insert, Copy, Indent, Line Operations, Blank Operations, Auto-completion, Paste Special, On Selection, Multi-select All, etc each having 5 to 7 operations.
Line Operations for example has these:
Duplicate Current Line Remove Duplicate Lines Remove Consecutives Duplicate Lines Split Lines Join Lines ... Reverse Lines Randomize Lines ... Sort Lines Lexicographically Ascendlng and 10 or moreAnother great thing is the whole design and the options around managing bookmarks while searching. I should write a blog post on it :)
Given those options, you may want to try vim :) It’s a bit different in how you interact with it (pressing stuff on the keyboard instead of clicking stuff in menus, plus it’s more of an imperative vs declarative approach, i.e. you tell vim how to do stuff instead of what you need to be done; the good part is being independent of what sb thought you may need to do, the bad – having to learn editing primitives and stuff), but it can certainly do stuff you’ve mentioned, sometimes with some help from external programs:
- dupcicate current line -
yyp[(yy)ank_curren and (p)aste]; - join lines depends on how you want to join them, in the simplest case it’s
JorgJto join current line with the one below with or without space as a separator respectively. You can also combine it with:gor:vandnormor macros to make this edit on lines matching (g) or not (v) a specific regex (e.g.:g/join me/norm Jwill join all lines containing “join me” with that below). Splitting also depends; - reverse, randomize and sorting can be done via calling external stuff:
v10j:.!tacwill reverse 11 lines, including the one with the cursor, via calling (!)tacon the selection (v) of the current line and 10 below (10j) and pasting its output in the file you’re editing (.) (it’ll replace stuff you’ve selected). Replacetacwithshuforsortfor the other options mentioned. Removing duplicates without sorting - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11532157/remove-duplicate-lines-without-sorting#11532197
Bonus: neovim integrates with vscode quite well, and on itself it handles reasonably huge files without an issue.
- dupcicate current line -
I never used npp as my code editor but as a secondary program that i kept notes in and would paste text in to manipulate then move back into code editor. It had a rich plugin ecosystem way before that was common. I use Kate for those purposes instead now
I couldn’t agree more. I had a foot in both the MacOS and Microsoft Windows worlds at the time and can appreciate what a game changer notepad++ became. Having used BBEdit on the Mac since around the mid 90s, it was kinda more like “it’s about time” a decade later when notepad++ was released. I’m not necessarily comparing them feature to feature, but it was a much needed piece of software for Windows. I still have memories of opening up text files and being like … damn someone f’d this txt file up on a windows machine… again.
This has been a dream of mine and one of my friend’s as well. There’s a small handful of blockers that I’ve slowly been transitioning but the upcoming windows pain points you mentioned are definitely recent motivators for me. I’m glad you made it and I hope the rest of us can too! I look forward to reading more about your experience.
Thank you and I wish you a similar or better success soon. Yes, I do wish to share the writings on this here slow and steadily.
Also made the switch not too long ago, only using Manjaro. Steam’s proton had gotten extremely good at playing Windows games, so there’s a good chance that it could run your old strategy game.
You might already have this on your set-up, but having wine auto-launch for Windows executables has been fantastic. I regularly pull and run Windows executables without really giving it a second thought, and so far it’s generally “just worked.”
It is a steam game, so I know that it should technically work. I haven’t gotten around to actually installing steam yet. Some day in a year or so ;)
Manjaro
I highly recommend avoiding manjaro like the plague, their team is incredibly incompetent (see: https://manjarno.pages.dev/ ), I say this as someone who has given people manjaro for years and regretted it, I was also their it person, manjaro regularly broke every few months and gave people a very bad taste of linux
for example, why are kernels given version numbers in packages? This caused 3 separate peoples computers to break multiple times. Everything good about manjaro comes from arch, everything bad about manjaro comes from the manjaro team.
Y’know how it’s not rolling release because they delay packages by 2 weeks? They actually do no testing in this time. How do I know this? They pushed an update that caused steam to uninstall your desktop environment. Famously covered by linus tech tips… this is something that should have easily been caught, and yet the two week window did absolutely nothing.
the truth is for manjaro there is no real usecase, there’s no set of desires that align with manjaro being the best choice for you. I am not asking you to switch away from manjaro, but I do not think we should ever recommend it to anyone, and on your next machine, I recommend trying the arch installer.
But if what you’re looking for is an easy pre-setup arch, use endeavoros
If you want something simple and up to date, use fedora kinoite
If you’re a power user and want to configure every little thing about their system, use arch or nixos
If you don’t care at all about updates and want the most rock solid system possible, debian.
I agree with your reservation about Manjaro. However, you did get one thing wrong:
They pushed an update that caused steam to uninstall your desktop environment. Famously covered by linus tech tips…
That was Pop!_OS (unless it happened a second time??)
You’re right, my bad, I misremembered!
If you absolutely need functionality of some Windows only applications on Linux, it’s a bit clunky, but a solution exists to use a VM to integrate the Windows apps into your Linux environment. It’s called winapps, and I use it to run the latest version of Excel, which I do need for some things. Here’s their GitHub: https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps
Many many years ago I switched from OS X back to Linux and had to find alternatives: https://jeena.net/why-i-switchedfrom-osx-to-linux
For the three software you point as a must have there are alternatives, even those you’d not think of:
- Visual Studio - Stop writing .NET web applications, there are so many other web frameworks around you don’t really need .NET
- Notepad++ - It’s a steep learning curve but Vim and Emacs give you all and more freedom than Notepad++
- Excel - You can use the 365 version in the browser, that is what I do at work
- OneDrive works through the browser again, but there are alternatives like Nextcloud, Syncthing, Seafile
Thank you for your comment.
- .NET is my bread and butter and the C# language is great now. Can’t let go. I do have my eyes, and some proficiency, on Go and Python.
- I planned to use online Excel for a while, but installed LibreOffice Calc as of now.
- For backups, I am trying OneDrive-For-Linux, but eventually plan to have a syncthing based setup.
Regarding the editor, having a similar experience like Notepad++ is not a must, and I used vim on and off but could never stick due to various editing requirements over the years as mentioned in other comment.
How would you use Syncthing for backup? Usually syncing is not considered a backup since if you delete something at source it will also be deleted at target. Or would you do one-way-sync?
You can set folders as send-only so delete events wouldnt be caught I think
True, I did this with my notes-from-phone sync directory. It is amazing that way.
As mentioned in my potential sub-projects I will shortly attempt an implementation a 3-2-1 backup strategy. I have Syncthing in mind to do the syncing to one of more of OneDrive / BackBlaze / Borg backup services etc. I don’t have all the final details yet on the services and pieces needed yet.
Notepad++ is a fabulous software program that had no complete alternatives on Linux. I used it for scripting, text manipulation, note taking, dumping and editing thoughts. Scintilla-based equivalents Geany, SciTE exist, but do not come close.
Really? No alternatives on Linux? Have you tried Emacs? I think Emacs with Org mode blows Notepad++ out of the water in all the uses you just mentioned.
Not free, but I love sublime text.
I always loved how super fast it was. I did use it for a year or so some years back. But I will try it out again in a while.
Another vote for sublime. I’m a full stack web developer and it’s all I need. The native features and extensibility blow me away. It has so many features I’ll never use them all. Multiple cursor editing saves so much time. Really give it a chance and you’ll fall in love.
Yeah, I have it in my list. As mentioned in few other comments. I am now willing to try Kate as well. But with Sublime, I do have prior experience. I will probably go for it soon. Do you use the paid version for web development?
Yes. Emacs/Vim is different than the traditional Notepad++ experience. For someone using Visual Studio daily, Notepad++ is relatively the same editing experience. I did use TextPad for a while before discovering Notepad++.
I did try Vim for few times on and off. I could not stick to it as I had to work on few different software areas like C#/ASP.NET, then Python, and some build scripts (windows) and more recently Terraform. I know if I could master one of Vim / Emacs I could do all this in one editor, but as I alluded to in another comment it could take a long time for this mastery.
That said, I do have a massive respect to devs who could do this.
Old school Unix guy here…vi,awk and sed are all that you need.
If you want a similar editor on Linux, then I suggest Kate. If Vim and Emacs didn’t exist, I’d be using Kate.
Kate is so good, I switched to it once atom was discontinued and only stopped using it when I finally got around to setting up neovim to have all the things I need
Yes, thanks for the recommendation. I heard about Kate but have actually yet to try it out.
You can grab Kate from the Windows Store right now. Get all of the KDE apps, they’re pretty much the only good stuff on there.
I am already on Linux so can’t try the Windows version any more :).
However, thanks for the idea, I will probably will try on my work laptop.
I use Kate daily, all the time. It has plugins, there is LSP support, I just dont know how it works, and you can write and download code snippets!
The UI is customizable and modern too.
You had me at LSP support :)
This is a second recommendation in this post, so I will have to try it sooner than Sublime. Firing up my apt…
Good luck and report on your LSP experiences? For me I had strange errors, using it on Fedora
im kinda stuck with a windows workstation for work also, for the exact same reasons. ive used the discrepancy in environments to completely air-gap my home and work life. linux for all things personal, and windows for the BS at the office… never the twain shall meet
notepad++ really bothers me… if theres one freakin app that linux should have a mastery of its text editing… and yet.
e. for the vim/emacs/nano peeps: no. just no. its not me who is wrong here because i dont want to learn 400 obscure keystrokes among other nonsense. we dont need to hear about your text editing stockholm-syndrome.
Yes, because it would be crazy to learn keyboard skills for text editing. Such a super great point.
The thing about the vi keystrokes is that almost all programming editors support them. There are few skills that will save you more time and retraining than vi movements as you inevitably move from editor to editor.
Vim, IntelliJ / Rider, and VS Code. If you know the vi movements, you are productive in any of them right away.
For text editing, kate is really good and has like zero learning curve and it has tons of features like really good lsp integration but can also just be a normal text editor if you don’t want all the fancy stuff.
(But also I promise learning vim isn’t as hard as you think it is, you can learn the basics in like an hour or two and there are so many things it makes so much easier than other editors)
You know, the older I get the more I respect the people who come out and say ‘I’m not going to learn that, and I don’t want to.’
It’s a LOT better than dealing with someone who half-asses and kinda wishy-washes around and says they’ll maybe do something but then doesn’t and well, wasn’t ever going to.
If you’re not interested and won’t, say so up front so you don’t waste your or my time trying to get you to do something.
i dont want to learn 400 obscure keystrokes among other nonsense. we dont need to hear about your text editing stockholm-syndrome.
This reads like projected insecurity. Or maybe even… jealousy.
weird, thats exactly what patty hearst said
What you said about resonates with me. Though I used vim over the years a few times and understand it’s philosophy, I feel that experience is not for many. Given how many things we handle professionally dev, ops, iac etc, the master-one-editor principle doesn’t hold for people stuck in traditional corporate / enterprise dev envs.
Heyy, I’m too in the process of moving from windows (10) to debian :) (though I’m very new to linux, but not new to open source software)
I was surprised that notepad++ didnt have native support for linux and while I tried many stuff, indeed I couldnt find a real replacement. I have kinda concluded that I will either use bottles with wine to run notepad++ (takes around half a minute to open) or use Geany and try to customize it as much as I can. (There are also Notepadqq which is kinda dead and NotepadNext which is still in very early stage.) I’ll probably go with Geany and chech on NotepadNext if it evers becomes good enough.
I had a recent post about running windows stuff on linux and people gave me some good advice here: https://mander.xyz/post/18701186
Edit: I just found Textadept, might check it later (found it from a comment under this video).
I have tried notepadqq, it is a bit promising, but I don’t think it can use the npp plugins yet. Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
I know of TextAdept and loved it when I used it years back. Loved the extensibility part. Unfortunately could not stick to it mostly due to plugins IIRC.
I see I see
Also, just noticed that your name is debian guy.😆 I guess it makes sense :)
Haha yeah! :)
Not sure what you mean by Linking to Phone but KDE Connect is amazing!
Yes, that is exactly what it was. A way to link some phone stuff like SMS, some apps’ notifications to Linux workstation. I have read about KDE connect. I am on a plain xorg + tiling wm setup and looking for solutions similar to KDE Connect but without need for KDE.
I used KDE Connect on Ubuntu with Gnome. No issues.
Yeah, I got the understanding from another comment on here. I will put it in my list to research.
there are de-independent clients for kde connect
Oh, that is a relief, I will have to check that out sometime. Thank you!
I was busy when i sent that last comment, so i neglected to give a link.
Here you go: https://valent.andyholmes.ca/
