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What a Buddhist thing to say.
Bad news about the social construct of ‘delusion’
whether a belief is a “delusion” or not has a lot more to do with whether it is socially convenient to those immediately surrounding you and a lot less to do with factual truth
The way I see it all religions are mythology, stories that cannot be proven yet stand as the foundation for civilization as we know it. They serve as the cornerstone for nearly everything and teach lessions that are objectively good. They also allow us to understand how we interact and perceive the world around us.
The way I see it, you’re allowed to be wrong
Do myths not teach lessions, I think we can simultaneously understand that they’re myths and also that tell alot about ourselves (and the people who make them).
What you are describing are human tendencies towards pro-social activity and cultural creation. Attributing them to the crappy hegemonic stories pushed by authoritarians and conquerors (all the pictured religions in the meme fall into this category) gives those crappy, boring, often antisocial stories more credit than they deserve.
Unless you have some really good examples for how a story about how some gimp-fet deity like Jesus or a family-abandoner like Siddhartha are foundational to, say, deconstructing global imperialism? Can I learn how to deconstruct global imperialism from Jesus, who suggested placating and appeasing violent imperialists? Is that “objectively good” to you?
His noodleness is the one true savior! Ramen!
Praise Bob!
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Some delusions can bring comfort for life. Its not all bad.
Thats a fair point but eternalism is always harmful.
A population trained to believe without critically thinking is dangerous to everyone.
I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM). Bow before me, fools
Gods are mythical creatures,
Religious stories are fables,
Beliefs are opinions
Ignorance is bliss
Buddhism isn’t really a religion, the way I understand it, it’s not trying to sell anything like religions do, it’s more of a philosophical system, with psychological exercises and disciplines that to this day have proven to be of profound positive mental health impact.
Then people went and built statues of Siddhartha Gautama, which he supposedly had asked not to happen. Then there’s the “fat Buddha” from China, who was actually someone who lived almost two millennia after, and is known there as “Budai”.
Those statues and idols have nothing to do with what Buddhism originally proposes, in a nutshell: there is suffering in this world and life, how can we be free of suffering?
Just as Christianity is not a unified church, and is divided into Orthodox, Protestants, Catholics, evangelists, Baptists, and the bazillion of other denominations, Buddhism is very different ranging from extreme practices of Shingon sect, to a very practical philosophy of Dogen’s Zen Buddhism.
Buddhism is many things, and religion as well.
There is a mysticism aspect that falls under the umbrella of Buddhism, too. Like if one is enlightened sufficiently, they can ascend to another life form after death, otherwise it’s reincarnation to try again. I think there’s more to it than that, but honestly haven’t delved too much into it because the philosophy is where the useful stuff is.
And ironically, an aspect of enlightenment is accepting that suffering is a part of life so that you don’t suffer more being upset that you have some suffering. Getting that one was like a switch for me and life has generally been much happier. Things don’t “ruin my day” anymore.
I don’t know that Jesus asked for a church to be founded either, or left behind any guidance on how to organize it or run it properly. If SG specifically said “don’t do this” then wow that’s even worse that they did. But it seems like much the same deal all around.
As a religious individual(/s), I totally agree with this. Except for my religion. Mine is totally right. Everyone else’s is crazy and wrong, but mine is correct.
That’s insane! Yours can’t be right because mine is correct.
Unless yours is the same as mine then I agree with you and are 100% in the right.
aLL ReLigiOnS aRE reALly AbOuT tHE saME uNdeRlYinG tHinG!! ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶
They are. It’s all about getting people to fall inline and kill those who won’t.
Hey, me too!
Something can be untrue without being a lie. Generally we like to say that for something to be a lie requires an intent to deceive. If I tell you “the next bus is coming at 3:30pm” and it arrives at 3:32, was I lying? No, the bus was just late.
Anyway, most of these religions are very old and it’s hard to say we know anything about the mindset of the people who started them. Having said that, Scientology is not so old and based on Hubbard’s other writings we could probably make a solid case that he was intending to deceive people. So I don’t mind if you call that one a lie!
Hindu lore is pretty sick. Any story that involves an individual named “The Destroyer” is pretty ducking sick.
I’m not a myth! Could a myth type a comment on Lemmy?
Take that, atheists!
Including faith in yourself…?
Yes.
That sounds very sad.
In my experience
There’s a difference between ‘faith’ and ‘delusion.’
Faith needs to be based on evidence. The evidence for the faith in most religions is…not good.
What if I’d have to be deluded to believe in myself?
I believe that’s called ‘therapy.’
Just read the stories,(just don’t take it seriously) they are like Avengers without any corporate bullshit. With my totally unbiased opinion some are more fun then others. (Polytheism>Animism>Monotheism). And their time line doesn’t change just because Disney stock didn’t rise.
Atheism is a belief. Just sayin.
Calling atheism a belief is like calling bald a hair color. Or like saying ‘not collecting stamps’ is a hobby
You don’t have to call it belief if that makes you uncomfortable.
It’s a world view. And, like other world views, it has normal, functional people who buy into it, and nutty fanatics who buy into it. It has people who use power wisely, and people who use power dangerously, at the expense of others.
The concerning thing is that some people who hold atheism as a world view think this makes them immune to the dysfunctions of collective action, but that’s far from true. But, of course, it’s common to pick flaws in other world views and think your own shit doesn’t stink.
Negation and Plato’s Beard
I think you may be conflating things a bit. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods, it doesn’t automatically come with a particular worldview. Worldviews are much more broad, as the name would imply. They encompass a set of values and assumptions about life. Atheism doesn’t prescribe how someone views politics, morality, or society. Those are shaped by other philosophies like humanism or existentialism.
I agree that no one is immune to the dysfunctions of collective action, and atheists can certainly fall prey to the same human errors and biases that affect any group. However, attributing those flaws to atheism itself misses the point. The fact that individuals with different beliefs, whether religious or non-religious, have varying behaviors doesn’t stem from atheism as a ‘worldview’—it’s part of the complex nature of human society.
Criticism of specific worldviews is valid, but atheism as a simple lack of belief in gods doesn’t operate on the same level as belief systems that come with doctrines and tenets.
It’s a non-belief.
What belief is being held?
All gods are myths
All religions are lies
All faith - including that in the above two things - is delusion.
I mean, you’re shooting your own messenger, but I hear ya.
“What drink would you like?”
“I’ll take a nice tall glass of the absence of water please.”
“You mean that you don’t want a drink?”
“No, the drink I’m requesting and the one I intend to drink the absence of water. Its my favourite drink.”
"So, like a coke or something.’
"No, thats the presence of coke. I want to drink the absence of water…
What do you mean by ‘I’m being ridiculous’?"
It is a position you hold until a belief system provides sufficient evidence for you to form and hold a belief.
Gnostic atheism is a specific form which nobody actually holds to, which says that there positively is no god and this is known to be a fact. Any reasonable person would admit you can’t know this. And so virtually all atheists are agnostic atheists.
Being an agnostic atheist does not mean you are “on the fence” or “undecided” or “accepting of all beliefs equally.” It means you are intellectually honest that you cannot prove the non-existence of a god any more than you can prove there isn’t a planet in the universe where it rains lemonade. But until you have a firm reason to believe that some god exists, you’re going to proceed as if they don’t, because that’s the conclusion, however perpetually provisional, that best matches the evidence.
Then it’s a good thing belief isn’t mentioned in the image.
