Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      148·
      2 months ago

      Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.

      • gnomesaiyan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        74·
        2 months ago

        Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.

        • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
          46·
          2 months ago

          If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that’s part of the problem. There’s elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.

          Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we’d actually see some effective change.

          • redwattlebird@lemmings.worldEnglish
            16·
            2 months ago

            The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:

            Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run

            • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              2 months ago

              The president sure gets the credit for a lot of things (the president signed this into law, the president enacted this policy) but in reality Congress makes most of that a reality.

              There is also accountability… but only if the congress acts on it. Which is where that whole “vote more than once every four years” thing comes in. Congress has power… we just have not elected people who use that power responsibly.

              • pingveno@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                We’ve also managed to wedge ourselves into a situation where Congress can’t handle anything controversial. The closest we came in recent years was the (relatively timid) ACA, and that barely passed after an unpopular war and the 2008 economic crash.

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              3·
              2 months ago

              The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:

              so then go and push/vote for voting reform, federally and more importantly at a state level, shit like IRV is very much within reach.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
            4·
            2 months ago

            Elections that can affect things on a national level are still only once every two years. I vote in every election but going off on people who vote for but doing it often enough is just stupid.

            • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              Yes, but those state and local elections have an effect both on how your state and local area does… as well as how those national elections are held. They are far more important than you give them credit for.

              Don’t downplay them just because they don’t get national coverage, especially when they’re going to have significantly more impact on your daily life.

        • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          38·
          2 months ago

          Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.

          Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.

        • acockworkorange@mander.xyzEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          All candidates steer clear away from condemning Israel because they know they’ll lose votes if they do. Sounds like this one is on the people.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        wait ok, i’m confused why do we hate the US government? Is it because it’s doing global geopolitics shit? Like what’s the motive for caring about this, as opposed to like, stopping world hunger.

        Like the motive for the latter is obvious, but i don’t really see the motive for the former. It just seems like yelling at a vast brick wall for no reason.

    • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      Looking at the protests against him in Israel I think many if not most Israelis don’t want this campaign of violence. For many years I’ve felt sorry for all the civilians in that area, because they are trying to live their lives and extremist assholes on all sides keep killing them.

        • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          They are against his government in general and started before his campaign of terror and I have seen no poll that would suggest sudden approval. So we can safely assume the protesters include that in their disapproval of him and his government of fascist cunts.

          • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            2 months ago

            The protests happened after but they don’t seem to advocate a change in that campaign of terror, just different people carrying it out. The far right dominates Israeli politics and it’s all about which flavor of far right is preferred.

  • Wolfeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    137·
    2 months ago

    including scores of women and children

    This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but… that’s always seemed weird to me.

    • AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.worldEnglish
      55·
      2 months ago

      It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.

    • Evrala@lemmy.worldEnglish
      50·
      2 months ago

      In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they’ve killed two thousand scores of people. “Scores of women and children” doesn’t really do that justice.

  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    99·
    2 months ago

    If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.

  • Vertelleus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    27·
    2 months ago

    Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”

    • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      72·
      2 months ago

      The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.

    • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      46·
      2 months ago

      The UN does not supply arms to Israel. The UN has passed many resolutions condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, going back decades. They have literally already done everything the UN can do, many times over. They weren’t a governing body with binding powers over where the US sends arms, or who France chooses to support.

      So I’d have to say that your comment is less effective than their walkout, because it isn’t even properly informed.

      • Vertelleus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        Thoughts and prayers for the world?

        The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?

          • Vertelleus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            9·
            2 months ago

            The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”

            Veto power in the UN.

            US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.

            Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.

            When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.

            • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              People are indoctrinated to believe that because votes are involved the process is somehow magically subject to meaningful reform and input from the masses.

              A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes. Voting is a process by which people are convinced to trade in their actual power in exchange for a piece of paper.

              • SashaEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                Thanks for this, that’s a fantastic way to phrase it.

                • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  Thanks, I don’t think it’s worded quite right though, because “in exchange for” implies the vote itself does something. The reality is that people are convinced to give away their power because they believe in the piece of paper.

                  The oiece of paper itself is almost worthless.

                  I only say that because I’m sure someone will want to split hairs over it.

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes.

                how is this one supposed to work? Just curious, since voting seems to be the only real method of direct representation, unless you’re suggesting a global at will military force, which, would be a thing.

                • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Federated communities that make decisions on consensus, with the fundamental rule that “those affected get to decide”.

                  There’s a lot more to it and there’s a lot to unpack in just the above paragraph, but if the only alternative you can imagine is a global military dictatorship then it’s hard to know where to even start explaining it to be quite honest.

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              well yeah, you don’t want everyone to have veto power, because then nothing happens ever. The idea behind a few people having veto powers to is to establish some sort of protection for the big players, since they’re likely to be the most contested, though depending on how you set up the legislation and member functionality of it this may not be relevant at all.

              TBF i have little to no knowledge of how the UN works, just that it is a thing.

  • ad_on_is@lemm.eeEnglish
    24·
    2 months ago

    why isn’t he arrested already? I wish I had similar privileges, where I could break laws (thst don’t violate human rights ofc.), make a shitload of money and travel the world freely.

        • pingveno@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          The latter. The US only has a veto in the Security Council. Though even that isn’t entirely unconditional. Recently it abstained on a vote about a cease fire resolution, leading to much entitled complaining from Israel.