Hey privacy community! A few weeks back I’ve seen an article posted here or in some other tech community about TSA rolling out biometric ID process in some US airports, that involved taking a face scan.
I had an international flight planned and I wouldn’t want to go through biometric ID, but I was anxious of potential delay and having to explain myself to TSA agents. I also convinced my wife to opt out, which could potentially double the delay.
So for the folks who may have the same concerns, I’d like to share my experience.
I went on my flight a few days back from Newark International Airport (EWR). We went through security check in new Terminal A. At the beginning of the security line there were a few clearly visible posters about biometric ID with opt out information. To opt out you just need to tell TSA agent that you don’t want your photo to be taken. The poster also says that you will not lose your place in line if you opt out. Same posters are on each agent desk.
The scanning machine is on every agent’s desk, next to the opt out posters. It has a screen, about 8", with something that looks like a set of stereo lenses on top of it. The screen shows the live feed of the person in front of it during scanning process, with a template of a face that helps to properly position it. The scanning process seems to be very quick.
Now, for the opt out - it is indeed as easy and seamless as they claim. I asked the agent to not take my picture, he just said OK and asked me for my passport. The scanning machine didn’t turn on. He scanned my passport and gave it back, and I was done, no questions asked.
Actually, I noticed that people who had their faces scanned also had to hand passports over. So they had to spend more time with the agent than I. I assume because it was their first time through this biometric collection and next time they just scan their face again and that’s it.
And while I was pleased how easy it was for me and my family to opt out of this, in my opinion, completely unnecessary privacy invasion, I have not observed any other person (out of maybe 100 who passed before me) who did the same. Unfortunately, we know here how easily and thoughtless people give away yet another piece of their personal data. In this case, the data that can be used next time to ID people via video surveillance without any consent.
When I last entered the US in 2009 they took my fingerprints and a photo. I assumed it to be mandatory.
I also had to “please follow me” to a backroom, but I kinda expected this as a muslim. Met some friendly mexican and pakistani people there, so it wasn’t that bad. I still decided to refuse all business trips to the US from that day on (and avoided tourist travel there as well), as I just didn’t feel safe.
They asked for the passport and did the face scan? Outside of the first time they’ve haven’t asked for my passport yet.
No, I think that many people in my line were first timers, so they did both
Japan has been requiring fingerprints AND photographs for all incoming visitors for the better part of two decades now.
If a foreign national who is required to be fingerprinted and photographed refuses to comply with this requirement, he/she will be denied entry to Japan.
I draw a line between a photo and biometric face scan. I have a photo ID, so my government already has my picture, but face scan that is tied to my identity and allows for accurate identification is something new
You realize that a “biometric face scan” is just a photo from a narrowly defined angle, right? So what Japan is doing is taking a biometric photo, even if they don’t use that language.
Did you happen to look up while standing in the TSA line? Surprise, there’s cameras there too. Sure, they’re not getting a straight-on shot of your face, but still getting a clear shot nonetheless. There’s no winning in this situation sadly
Yeah, I don’t think these cameras are used to ID people routinely. Government already has my photo - I have passport anyways. However, face scan is much more sophisticated and they cannot take it with overhead cameras
Last time I denied a photo from CBP, the agent at the desk told me they’re using the cameras above for facial recognition.
He could a been lying or wrong, but – even if its illegal – I wouldn’t be surprised if they or some other 3 letter org is doing this.
The NSA was hacking into Yahoo Video and corporate CCTV camera feeds to train their facial recognition systems, what, 10 years ago?
Labeling datasets is costly process. When you dont opt out, you’re letting them build a labelled dataset on you-specifically for free.
Same for me: just say no, and they say OK. Effortless but the option is totally invisible.
The irony is, I’ve seen the staff stop using the face scanner for everyone halfway through the line to speed things up. So its not saving time, just costing money to increase surveillance.
So its not saving time, just costing money to increase surveillance.
So just like nearly everything the TSA does.
If the objective was to save time…
Wow, this seems like they’re trying to take advantage of an opportunity to slip something irrelevant in to the process. Like someone was trying to think of a way to get facial recognition data and the TSA lines were the “perfect” place.
I agree honestly. I’ve gone through the exact process op has described several times now and flew even more before the process started.
I think the lines are worse than they used to be. I have not seen the scan improve anything. The only time I’ve seen things move slower for me is recently the agent hadn’t done an opt out in a while and had to remember how to do it. The TSA precheck line I was in did not have opt out signs posted. I just politely asked anyways (and they did comply).
I had a similar situation happen with customs where the guy was confused by my request and hadn’t done one it the old way in a while but honored it without argument.
I think the airport near me is getting them soon, if not already (it’s been a little while since I last flew). This seems like a handful of companies saw an opportunity to sell the concept of security to people that are naive, and they went along with it. Typical government tech contract type stuff that in this case they use as an additional data aggregation vector. It explains why there was no push or response when OP opted out. When someone knows that an action or inquiry can be perceived as questionable or invasive, they want to end the exchange quickly like it never happened.
I’ve never seen the signs allowing you to opt out, so this is good info.
But to add onto this topic - what is up when 2 people walk down a designated walkway while in line and the officer follows alongside them with the dog?
The dog is sniffing them for explosive residue.
The machines haven’t worked for me, so I just started opting out immediately as well, since that ends up being much faster. I don’t understand the point of this.
it’s a data collection point.
can’t scan AI recognition on your passport, so they get your consent this way and with an updated photo.
it’s the only thing that makes sense if they’re taking photos and checking passports.
I think they do collect facial recognition data on passports, yes. And State IDs.
Not from the identity document directly, but from the digitized photo that you submitted when you asked to create the document
