Abortion has been on the ballot in seven states since June 2022. In each instance, anti-abortion groups have lost.
They didn’t overturn abortion, they overturned a right to privacy. Much more scary when you think of it like that
Are you claiming that they overturned the 4th amendment?
The 4th amendment has been effectively dead for a long time. I think the war on drugs killed it.
Not for all of us. I still refuse to answer any question on the census except how many people live there and I don’t help process servers.
Fair, but to say this is what did it is a bit dramatic. Ideally, the court shouldn’t be deciding these issues anyway and legislators should actually be doing their job.
Lol, 4th amendment strawman backfired huh
Questioning a direct claim is a strawman argument now?
Are you questioning my direct claim rn?
You could’ve just said you didn’t know what you were talking about
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That’s actually a very good way to put it.
Look at some of the rules they’ve tried to pass. Checking on high school students’ mensuration, checking on people who leave the state for abortions, trating miscarriages as murder.
Don’t forget permission slips to have a nickname!
Are we not talking about the supreme court?
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Can wait till they get to the second amendment. Then all these guys will have their surprised Pikachu face on.
They’re going after the 1st and 5th next
Yeah, pretty much. Look at how stupid-state AGs are demanding women’s health records from sane states. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republican-state-ags-are-seeking-state-medical-records-rcna94935
Yeah that’s pretty trash. But that’s still a separate issue and not what SCOTUS ruled on
It’s the ultimate example of the dog catching the car. People took the right to choose for granted and the conservatives used is solely as a campaign tool to raise money. Now that that people have woken the fuck up they’re realizing how harmful abortion bans are to a women’s health and how demeaning it is to say that women can’t make their own decisions when it comes to their own body. The Dobbs decision have put Republicans in an impossible position and are almost certainly going to cost them elections statewide and federally for the foreseeable future.
no one woke up. they realized that they’d be personally affected by it, and changed their minds.
That’s basically the definition of “woke up” in this context.
That’s a distinction without a difference.
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Having a central dictating authority over every state is fascist and evil.
this is an absolute meme of an argument
should states have the right to execute people who are the wrong religion?
if no, then what’s the difference between that and allowing them to ban a life-saving operation on what boils down to religious grounds?
Thats an argument against federalism itself lol
And it is no doubt a facetious argument, they don’t actually believe that they just say it but what they mean is they want us for only them to have that control
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Makes you wonder if the corporate elite class uses this issue (and other) just as a tool for control. Easy divide and move a population back and forth on hot push button topic. Meanwhile the top 1 percent… investment bank continue to hoard all wealth as we see it stripped away by inflation.
I will vote for a glib, anti union, pro corporate generic candidate because he / she “strongly” supports (or not) abortion.
Yes this is a cynical take and the abortion issue is important … just cannot shake the issue is in a continual cycle to keep people divided, distracted as they get poorer and work harder.
Abortion rights do great on ballot measures, but not as well in general elections.
Yeah, most people support abortion rights, but those who oppose them are the most powerful single-issue voting block in the country.
Pro-choice people rarely base 100% of their vote on abortion. A pro-choicer who holds conservative beliefs on other issues generally votes Republican, but will vote in favor of abortion rights on a ballot measure.
Pro-lifers are different. They sincerely believe that abortion is mass murder of children, and that all other political issues combined don’t matter in comparison. A pro-lifer who holds liberal views on every other issue generally votes Republican.
And yet they are inconsistent on companies that pollute air food and water. Somehow when corporations do it knowingly for the profit motive it’s God’s will despite causing miscarriages and birth defects en masse.
It’s not that all of them support these companies. It’s that they literally believe children are being murdered and that until they can permanently put a stop to the legal murder of children, no other political issues matter AT ALL. They’re the single-issue voting group that is really, truly single-issue, and they’re massive.
If Biden were anti-abortion due to his Catholicism while Trump was pro-choice, how many pro-choice Democrats would have voted for Trump? Almost none.
Meanwhile, millions of pro-lifer Republicans would have voted for Biden.
It doesn’t matter.
Democrats are never going to kill the golden goose. The Roe leak alone made them $80,000,000 in contributions. Being anti-choice accomplishes the same objective for Republicans: lots and lots of money, money that candidates can legally pay themselves by making loans to their campaigns at 20% interest.
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They had their chance when Obama had a supermajority.
They took Pharma money instead. They left for-profit health care in place because it helped them stay rich. They do not give a fuck about any of us.
Doing things by the rules is a messy process. Obama ran his Presidency by the rules, yet was often blocked from doing good things.
Maybe check out the GOP shenanigans pulled to subvert Obama rather than simply blame him for what Republicans did.
Obama ran his Presidency by the rules, yet was often blocked from doing good things.
He had a supermajority long enough to get anything done.
Fuck the excuses. He chose to get rich instead.
If anything, these times demand a president who no longer gives a shit about Senate rules.
Hate to tell you but he was rich before he ran cause both he and his wife are lawyers. So greed is off the table.
Got anything else?
That wasent the main issue.
Senator Kennedy died and Obama lost his seat to a republican. It came down to Senator Lieberman, who was deep in insurance company pockets, as several were headquartered in his state. He killed single payer, not obama.
Obamas fuck up was doing things “the right way” by negotiating with the GOP for nearly a year, only to have every single one of them vote nea. His second fuck up was waiting until the special election of Kennedy’s replacement was over instead of just going ham and forcing a vote.
His third and more esoteric fuck up for single payer was years later, when he did not decalre that the senate had opted to abandon its right to “affirm and assent” a supreme court justice, and just flat out seat Justice Merrick, forcing a constitutional crisis that would have most likely resolved in locking down that seat.
So yes, big pharma was a big part of the fuck you that happened , but it wasn’t as simple as “obama big pharma buddy buddy.”
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LOL at the downvotes.
So, so many voters in absolute denial here. We could have real change if the 49% that votes Democrat voted Green instead. The Greens would actually try to get you legal abortion at the federal level, too.
The closer you can get the government to the people, the more they can be held accountable
by what metric?
any argument you can make for it being easier to justly oust them from power can also be made for it being easier to unjustly keep them in power
That’s why the power should flow upward, not downward
while a lovely, pithy statement, this has absolutely nothing to do with your argument, and doesn’t really mean anything in this context
If this keeps up, 2025 is going to be lit.
In what way?
I’m thinking the good if this keeps up is the Republicans will lose a lot of seats. Of course the bad is Dems will be in charge. So it balances out to being lit.
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