• Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    We really do not value quiet enough.

    And the people here who’s idea of a utopia is all of us living in Mega City One are the worst of them.

    I used to play WoW with a guy in London, and literally every time he opened his mic to speak, it was a cacophony of sirens and cars and helicopters. I don’t know how people in cities can even here themselves think. Like, great, you can order from 20 different Chinese takeaways but at what cost?

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      Most people suggesting we should densify are targeting suburbs, not rural areas. Suburbs are incredibly expensive and environmentally wasteful per square inch. They have all the utility of a city but spread out with more asphalt, cement, power, sewer, water, gas, cheap inefficient homes that leach heat/ac at an alarming rate, etc.

      In rural areas the infrastructure isn’t always as expensive because some residents have their own septic and well, live on a dirt road, heat with a wood furnace, etc. A few of those things are also more renewable. Additionally, rural areas are still required for our way of living (farming, logging, mining, fishing), while suburbs have negative societal value (they take more than they put back into the system).

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        I suspect the suburb issue is one of car centric US suburbs where you can’t even get out of it without a car, rather than somewhere like the UK, where I effectively live in what is now a suburb of a larger city (if I drove there, it’s about ten miles, through an entirely built up area), but that “suburb” is also a town that’s been here since medieval times with it’s own shops and workplaces and facilities.

        Seems to me the issue is less about low density suburbs, and more about the fact that there’s nothing there apart from rows and rows of identikit housing.

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          Absolutely, North America has a special level of stupidity. To clarify yes, the suburbs in the US mostly don’t even have a real town center, many are just residential, malls, and big box stores. The average property size and spread is also often much less dense than nearly any suburb in the UK. So the infrastructure and environmental cost is much much higher.

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      I’m in DC and NYC a lot, and the places I stay are almost always pretty quiet areas (cause I’m not staying in the hotbed touristy/party-y areas)

      Even in cities, most people have average boring 9 to 5 jobs and need to sleep at night. When you get away from those particular areas (of course Times Square isnt indicative of the “norm,” right?) its all pretty mundane actually.

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      Other folks will probably reply with “Cities aren’t loud, cars are loud” but sirens and helicopters will still be there even if there aren’t cars.

      Plus if the city is quiet suddenly I’m all anxious because I don’t want to bother anyone with my noise. Social anxiety and cities do not mix.

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        How many of those sirens are responding to a car related accident?I would assume a signifcant amount. They may also be able to use their sirens less if streets were less congetsed. I’m also much more forgiving hearing a siren responding to an emergency than hearing a modfiied honda fart all the way to McDonalds.

        Not doing anything about car noise pollution just because sirens and helicopters still exist is a poor solution.

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          I’m just saying that even if there weren’t any cars it would still be too loud for me to feel comfortable.

          Then again if it’s too quiet I still wouldn’t feel comfortable.

          tl;dr I don’t like cities. Or suburbs. Or people, really.

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    Somehow, it’s more annoying to me when it’s someone’s beat up Honda Civic that they’ve deliberately modded to be louder than thunder. Like…really?

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      It’s probably a typo. The n key is right above the spacebar. I make the same mistake quite often.

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        It’s probably a typo. The n key is right above the spacebar. I make the same mistake quite ofte .

        Missed opportu ity right there.

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    And those motocross. My family lives in a rural area with a rail trail. So to go there I often just cycle on the rail trail.

    Unfortunately it’s also used by a local motocross group. They’re not supposed to but they obviously don’t give a fuck.

    At least you can hear them coming from kilometres away. Which is interesting because the police or whoever is supposed to enforce “bicycles only” on that bike path doesn’t seem to hear them. Nor see the very obvious tracks.

    The most insulting part is that they close the path in fall, winter and spring because they don’t want CYCLISTS to damage the bike path, yet there’s assholes on motocross driving on it.

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    It’s a perfectly normal hobby for 100% straight, manly, conservative, white (did I mention straight?) men, who like to meet up with other 100% straight men, to wear skin-tight leather suits and enjoy the strong vibrations of their hot Harley engine between their legs.

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    The louder the vehicle, the dumber the driver.

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      the future’s gonna be fun, watching these idiots lose their entire identity - vroom vroom - to the inescapable fact that they’re killing themselves and our environment with their bullshit.

      the temper tantrums are going to be hilarious, and more than a few will die to hold on to their noisemaking smog machines, because to them, that’s freedom.

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        What do you mean the future? It’s happening now. One party has ran on “the EPA is trying to ban cars.”

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    New Rule: if the motorcycle you purchased exceeds noise ordinance levels for a given area, said motorcycle cannot be sold, driven, or registered in that area, nor can it be parked in a public parking spot in that area.

    Honestly though, I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances and anyone with more than one violation would have their bike impounded.

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      We basically have this in Japan. People will put their bike back to factory for the inspection and then change it out. They get caught rarely, but not often. loud-assed 暴走族 (bousouzoku) groups love to ride around in the countryside where I live and I can hear them from quite far. I really wish the police would do something about them.

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      I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances

      I live next to a catholic church/school and sometimes on the weekend or near sunset a local kid rides his motocross bike all around the church yard. Annoying as fuck and it chews up the yard and everything. I’ve called the cops three or four times but they’ve never bothered to send an officer out. I called the church and all they did was install a bunch of super-bright LED lights which are on 24 hours a day. Kid still rides his bike there and now I can’t sit outside at night anymore because of the fucking lights.

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        Gather up your neighbors and have them come and strategically park their cars on the church yard, physically blocking the kid’s path. If he can trespass, so can you.

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      I wish police would simply enforce noise ordinances

      Easier said than done, unfortunately. They need sound meters to do anything reliably, and then there’s the issue of catching them. Even slow, inefficient bikes tend to be much faster and more maneuverable than patrol cars, so motorcyclists are quite a bit more likely to run. Especially the ones that are already violating noise ordinances.

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    If its any consolation wrt Harley riders, the company is losing customers to old age, and attempts to appeal to the younger generation just get the old one (their existing base) mad enough to protest loudly against it, leading to the rep of it being a weekend warrior bike for grandpa to live his never was (as opposed to has been) biker fantasy. Not gonna stop a particular brand of pencil-dicks from making their cars loud and obnoxious, ofc, but still, take w’s where you can.

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      South Park completely nailed the “removeds” episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c’mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit… Seems the “removeds” won.

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        while I actually loved that south park episode and their point that words (that word specifically) change their meaning over time, the “answer” they came up with is a joke of course. A joke that only works because bikers are upset and confused by the ‘real’ meaning of ‘flag’. If the original meaning didn’t exist it couldn’t be used to hurt the bikers’ feelings, it relies on its existing meaning to hurt them.

        You cannot forcibly change what words mean. No matter how hard Trey and Matt wish they were iconoclasts and as much as i appreciate them? They REALLY aren’t as clever as they think they are. What they did, if they had succeeded would just allow CHUDs to yell ‘flag’ at homosexuals and pretend they were calling them bikers, so it’s a good thing it flopped.

        As cool as it would be if “bundle of sticks” stopped being a slur, the slur itself is not the problem, the intent is. Intent behind calling bikers ‘flags’ is to make them feel like you’re calling them homosexuals, relies on homosexuality itself being a slur. The end. No debate. Full stop. It doesn’t even change anything, its hurting feelings RELIES on the meaning we currently agree on. Feel me?

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          Totally agree on all counts. As a teen when it originally aired I thought it was funny for the reasons you outlined (Trey and Matt’s intent) but yes in 2024 it just isn’t okay anymore (if it ever was at all) and I bet Trey and Matt agree and wouldn’t make that episode today

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          According to Wikipedia, that slur is really only used in the US and Canada. If you go to the UK and say it, they will hand you a cigarette.

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        South Park completely nailed the “removeds” episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c’mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit… Seems the “removeds” won.

        Can you reveal what’s behind the censorship enforced by Lemmy.world without triggering it?

        Alternatively I would suggest you look for another instance that isn’t draconian.

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          I’m assuming he is talking about the biker gang episode, in which case he is probably talking about the F-word (meaning the slur against gay people).
          Personally, I think having a filter against slurs is not unreasonable

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              Lemmy is still relatively new, and you grow the audience you nurture.

              A lack of moderation means that racists, bigots, general assholes, etc, will find an easier time settling on this platform.
              And I’ll be honest, if that would be where Lemmy is headed I’m not sticking around to see it turn into that cesspool

              I’m personally quite happy with the level of moderation I’m seeing on lemmy.world. It’s not overly heavy handed, but it seems to generally be applied where it makes sense to apply. Essentially the “don’t be a dick” rules of the forum days of old.

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          Somewhat.

          If the poster themselves removed it, then no - these usually shows up as “deleted” rather than “removed” (but not always). Sometimes apps that don’t properly pay attention to the removal request can still see these, but I know of no effective way to view these routinely, short of spinning up your own instance and archiving not only every post and comment but also all of their edits as well.

          For mod removal, you can check the modlog (for your instance here, or the one for Lemmy.World, both of which theoretically should show the same contents, but in practice they don’t for whatever reasons). Note that is the entire modlog for the entire Fediverse, so it requires filtering to find the specific post/comment that you want to know about. The Lemmy devs could help people see the modlog much easier, but they don’t. They don’t seem too big on such democratic efforts, and very often simply ban people outright, from the entire instance including communities they’ve never once visited, if you ever criticize what they say or if you say something that they do not agree with. Though they did recently release a feature to allow mods to do this - further increasing the power of the establishment, while leaving common plebes like us to have to filter the modlog (which also can hide the identity of the mod who removed it).

          Ergo, I would not hold my breath waiting for this feature. At least not on Lemmy, but perhaps from the more democratically-managed PieFed or Sublinks or Mbin or such… I could really see that happening for those?

          Edit: oh but for text like the “removed”, hell no, that’s also a lost cause - at least, again, on the Lemmy codebase, unless you use an instance that decides not to implement the language filtering.

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      I’ve been thinking of getting a motorcycle, and Harley has no entry level bikes So new riders try a Honda or Kawasaki when young and broke and build brand loyalty to that, I’m sure.

      Not surprising Harley is dying. All their stuff is so expensive you never get to figure out if it’s good or if they’re coasting on reputation while quality goes to shit or something.

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        The only reason really to get a Harley is to… Get a Harley. There are other bikes that are cheaper, more powerful, more comfortable, more reliable, and objectively better in most regards.

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      Fucking good. I so hate Harleys.

      Hopefully the incel crowd will succeed in branding them as ‘too woke’ or whatever and once the boomers are all dead, that’s it

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      You’re misunderstanding those numbers. The current older generation is boomers which got their name from the baby boom. People don’t have kids like that anymore so everyone including retail stores will see drops in body count. If anything will kill them off its going to be their pricing. It is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to go with nearly any other brand.

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    Had a friend who said he was considering removing the exhaust on his bike because it would sound cooler, everyone else in the friendgroup said we would pour sugar in his gastank if he ever did that

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    I have one of these assholes next door. It could be 4 in the morning and said shit, revving in the driveway for ten+ minutes before riding off. Then you still have to wait for them to get a hold away before you get any peace. These same shit stains are always blasting classic rock through their tiny motorcycle speakers loud enough to hear over the already deafening exhaust.

    But he’s not even the worst offender on my street. There are three homes, each with more vehicles than driveway that have diesel trucks and wannabe race cars. For whatever reason these idiots all leave their shit idling for up to an hour at a time. It is not unusual for multiple vehicles to just be running at any given time day or night while my personal possessions vibrate uncontrollably. There may also be music blasting from one or more of these vehicles. The noise is the worst part but depending on the wind I also get exhaust fumes entering my bedroom when I’m just trying to exist.

    If you guessed that this is in Florida you’d be right. Can’t wait to escape this hellhole.

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    dude…your bike is farting so loud you gave grandma a heart attack…that’s not as cool as you imagine it to be :/