• BertramDitore@lemmy.world
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    I mean, for all intents and purposes, they kinda are. They’re both pictures of artists making a political statement with their art.

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      Certainly, but one art is of a severed head, and the other makes use of a mask. They are not the same, in the way so many in Cult 45 want to equivocate them.

      Edit: So I guess, to one or two intents and purposes (art/political speech), they’re the same. To the rest, not so much.

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        They’re actually both Trump masks, just one is covered in ketchup. Griffin has talked about the whole thing a lot, since it essentially ruined her career.

        I think situational common sense is critical here. We’re talking about a comedian expressing herself in a way that some people might consider offensive. That’s pretty much her job description, and she’s great at it. Knowing her and her work makes these two pictures essentially the same.

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          I’m pretty sure the addition of extra elements to make it more resemble a severed head is covered in my point that one is art of a severed head and one is just a mask.

          Edit: If adding the ketchup makes no difference, why would you mention it at all in comparing them? So it must make a difference, which already shows that they’re not the same picture, and without the same intent. The obvious intent with Griffin’s is to make it look like a severed head, which is absent in the picture of Armstrong.

          Moreover, Billie Joe improvised that bit, it wasn’t planned like Griffin’s was. He took the mask from an audience member: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/green-day-trump-mask/

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking Griffin or justifying her cancellation. I think she was exercising her right to free speech, and this kerfuffle right here just proves that even about this, Cult 45 doesn’t actually care about the truth, they’re just looking for reasons to foam at the mouth.

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      Absolutely. Both are well within their rights of freedom of speech and expression. I like em both more because of it. I mean, I already liked them for their work.

      To hear the stories Kathy tells about the death threats after this image are pretty crazy.

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    Yeah, people like Green Day.

    Kathy Griffin was washed up well before the top picture was taken.