• andyburke@fedia.io
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    Can we ban HOAs? You never see a good story about them posted. At best it seems like they lead to boring cookie cutter neighborhoods.

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      My aunt lives in an HOA that was formed because the city wanted to cut down a big forested area to make a cookie-cutter neighborhood. The forest protected a watershed and was home to many native animals.

      So the few people who lived there formed an HOA to gain all rights to the area; sold a few more properties to developers with strict rules so the houses built didn’t impact the wildlife or water, and set a large chunk aside as a ‘community park’ that really is a forest with a few walking trails and a nice pond.

      The HOA fees mostly go towards maintaining the forest; planting natives, paying top-grade arborists to care for the trees, setting up bird boxes, stuff like that.

      That being said, I’m well aware that hers is an outlier, and most HOAs are just excuses for bratty busybodies to harass their neighbors.

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      I have. I’ve lived in HOAs where utilities, gardening/lawn care, parking lot upkeep, trash/recycling, community center, were taken care of by the HOA.

      You only hear about bad HOAs because people in those HOAs only care about property values from aesthetics. In reality, a good HOA is like a properly run union - taking care of its members by providing cheaper, common services via collective bargaining.

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        I’ve lived in HOAs where utilities, gardening/lawn care, parking lot upkeep, trash/recycling, community center, were taken care of by the HOA.

        Aside from gardening, aren’t those all things a city would be taking care of?

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          I think that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

          People who live in an area should be empowered to push back against outside interests coming in and changing things to the detriment of the residents, like the HOA posted earlier that protected their forest and watershed.

          The problem is that this power is often turned back onto the residents. This sounds to me like hyper-local politics - and so the answer is to get involved and vote out the assholes in power, not ban the existence of the political body!

          (Edit) I didn’t realize this, but some HOAs are controlled by outside developers, rather than local residents? That I can get behind banning!

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          We don’t live in a black and white world. All or nothing mentality doesn’t bring good results, because you discard imperfect things in favor of worse things.

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      I currently live in an HOA townhome neighborhood, and I’ll be the first to say that I’d abolish it if I could

      That said, mine isn’t too bad.

      They have some nitpicky bullshit, doors have to be painted a certain color, trash cans have to be out of sight from the front of your house, we can’t have hot tubs, fire pits, or tiki torches, etc.

      But they do handle the lawn mowing, snow removal, trash service, have a playground in the neighborhood, and do the roofing and siding for the homes every X years (I forget exactly how often off the top of my head.) and they require you to get your fire place inspected every year if you’re going to use it, which I appreciate since I’m connected to my neighbors houses.

      Now as far as I’m concerned, my lawn is the size of a postage stamp, I could practically mow it with a weed wacker (which I own because the landscapers do a shitty job around my deck) and I’m perfectly happy to shovel out the 2 parking spaces in front of my house and my like 20ft of sidewalks and front walkway. I also think trash pickup should be on the city government paid for by my taxes, but alas, that’s not the case in my town and residents have to figure out trash service by themselves. And I don’t give a rats ass if there’s a playground in my neighborhood, there’s a perfectly fine park about a 5 minute walk away. And for what I pay in HOA dues I could just save up for my own roofing and siding instead and probably get better and longer-lasting stuff.

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      My HOA manages communal property (trails, playgrounds, the pool and tennis/basketball courts) and does grounds keeping. They have some rules I find annoying but most of their rules are sensible (like don’t build a fire pit below your deck and don’t block your neighbors driveway with your cars). Ultimately, my HOA is just not that big of a deal. You don’t hear about HOAs like that because they are not interesting enough to post about online.

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        They have some rules I find annoying but most of their rules are sensible (like don’t build a fire pit below your deck and don’t block your neighbors driveway with your cars)

        Everywhere I’ve ever lived, both of those are actual laws. This is like saying the HOA has rules against burglary.

        But maintenance of communal property makes sense, and I’d join an HOA that had in its bylaws that it will never do anything other than that.

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    I am once again so glad the subdivision I live in has no HOA.

    We have plenty of kids with lemonade stands and people feel free to decorate their homes however they like.

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    The person yelling at the kids would not have windows in their house for a while if I lived there.

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    I hope one day if I ever end up in an HOA that I end up in one where the HOA members all live in it as well. I would take extra care to heavily salinate everyone’s yards. Full scorched Earth for everyone!

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    Why do some people just wake up in the morning and go “I hate fun. Time to go be a villain in a Disney Channel show today!”

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      We had an almost literal Disney villain as president in 2016 and he might become one again. A lot of people in this country hate fun.

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  • Kanzar@sh.itjust.works
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    Are there not regulations about food and beverage businesses in the States? Would have thought the litigious USA would have been all “hurr durr these children may not have washed their hands adequately when squeezing those lemons, so someone could get sick, and they don’t have a safe food handling certificate!”

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      There probably are local regulations that make this technically illegal but these aren’t generally enforced on such high profile operations like a neighborhood lemonade stand run by a 10 year old.