This was always the plan. They will contest any replacement and then only Trump will be on the ballot. AOC tried to warn you fucking people. This is why Biden needed to go over a year ago and the PARTY said “fuck you guys” until it was too hard to fucking ignore.

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    Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.

    “Joe Biden is not the party’s nominee now, and states generally point to the major party’s nominee as the one whose name is on the ballot,” he wrote in a piece earlier this month.

    I think I’ll believe the expert.

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      I think I’ll believe the conservative stacked court system that will ignore all that and rule against the Democrats anyway…

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      Hah! Do you really think Republicans let experts tell them what to think? Their ignorance is better than anyone’s knowledge!

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        Ha! According to the supreme court, Biden could explain all of this to Johnson and the rest of the republicans using guns.

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    You gonna take Johnson’s word for what can and can’t be done? Biden wasn’t even the official candidate yet until the DNC. Calm down for a second

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        That may not be Mike’s decision. Would you want to be in the family pictures of a family where the dad and son let each other know every time they spank it?

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          I’m not Mike’s son, but I send him a detailed email everytime I spank it. I like to address him as “Daddy” and I usually include pictures.

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      Besides, in a pinch couldn’t Biden step down and make Kamala the incumbent, and then they’d have to very stupidly argue that the incumbent wasn’t a valid candidate?

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    If far right Republicans like Johnson are already playing it this way, it’s because they’re scared and desperate. They can win against biden, anyone else is a threat. Another data point why this was the correct decision, among many others.

    I was not a kamala fan, but I’ll be voting for her fervently on election day. I’m fucking pumped.

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      I’ve seen way too much fuckery that the Republicans keep winning in court on to fully trust that that’s enough to save us.

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        Oh I’m sure they’ll try. But I think even SCOTUS would have a hard time justifying forcing a presidential candidate who dropped out before the convention to be on the ballot. They may still do it, but I think it will be very, very difficult. I could certainly see Roberts not going for that.

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          Roberts I’m iffy about, he seems torn between his legacy and his legacy…

          The real legacy of being a semi-corrupted court, and the winners-take-all-and-write-the-history legacy of being the bestest court ever who helped Donald Trump secure his win against the evil corrupt Democrats. He seems at least mildly interested in the latter, because it allows him to pretend he’s more serious than he is.

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              But he did sit on the immunity decision for months after months of ignoring Jack Smith requesting the same thing. Yet somehow, when a Republican brought the same issue to the court, it was suddenly an important issue… just not important enough to rule on quickly.

              …and then they just did a major power grab by making themselves the arbiters of what official acts are and are not.

              Sorry, but the immunity decision screams Robert could give a fuck less about being in the pocket.

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                Dude, absofuckinglutely. Robert’s was never not on Trump’s side, he just bided his time until the right decisions came through, like the one that makes the president a de-facto kingship based in court opinions with a huge amount of freshly minted psychos as judges.

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    Bookmarking this for later when in this crazy timeline we’re in Trump has to be replaced on the Republican ticket before November for some reason.

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    It’s just a way to premptively setup another bullshit “election was stolen” crybaby whine from the fascists. This time tho they’re going to start the civil war.

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    bro is just afraid that it won’t be an ez W for MAGA now, and OP is capitulating to that fear

    like do we live in a democratic republic or not? the idea that a candidate who isn’t even nominated yet can’t be replaced is laughable and should be attacked at all fronts, not given lip service.

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    Ballots aren’t even printed yet for any state. I do think Biden should have stopped a while back (remember “One term?”) but it’s better than post-convention.

    Now we can have Harris get nom’d, debate, and hopefully not deal with Orange Fucker again. I’m more hopeful with Harris winning than Joe BIden, more due to her age and track record more than anything else.

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    The convention hasn’t happened yet, there has not yet been a democratic nominee.

    But yes, this is part of their plan. Even if it goes to the SC though, John Roberts and Coney Barret would have a hard time finding any legitimate originalist arguments for supporting the challenge, and have demonstrated they are not quite pure conservative ideologues.

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    Biden is still the President? He can just Officially Act on House Republican leadership until he gets an answer he likes.

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    I actually hope that you’re right, because that would mean that the cabal that intends to overthrow democracy in the US is much more stupid than I had thought.

    In the first place, the whole idea that a candidate might be prohibited from dropping out and/or that the party would in that event be prohibited from choosing a replacement is farcical on its face. Beyond that, the SC explicitly ruled after the 2016 race that the DNC is essentially entirely free to do whatever the fuck they want. Additionally, they recently ruled regarding Trump’s removal from ballots that states are not free to do whatever the fuck they want.

    What that means is that in order to rule in such a way as to deny a replacement would reveal the complete and utter corruption of the system almost four months before the election, which would be an exceedingly stupid thing to do.

    The far better strategy would be to just bide their time, let the democrats do whatever they choose to do, then implement the coup after the election (and preferably as close to the inauguration as possible) so they can accomplish it all at once, then hide behind the president’s newly granted dictatorial powers.

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      You’re assuming they care about keeping their corruption hidden. They want absolute power! Who cares if the people know the system is corrupt if there’s nothing they can do about it. Most dems are already aware that this is a fight for democracy itself, and the reps will just say they’re “using the corruption to their advantage so they can fix it” or something.

      The strategy you’ve outlined relies too heavily on their winning the election fairly. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not impossible, but it’s far from a sure bet.

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        Who cares if the people know the system is corrupt if there’s nothing they can do about it.

        Because for the moment, there’s not “nothing they can do about it.”

        Most notably, the dictatorial power they established for Trump’s benefit is not yet in Trump’s hands - it’s in Biden’s. And particularly in light of the fact that he’s withdrawing from the race, he’s entirely free to do whatever he pleases. Like, for instance, haveTrump and every single other person who’s a part of this planned coup executed. Or, for instance, pardon any and all private citizens who might take it upon themselves to do the same.

        The fascists aren’t going to be safe until that power is in their hands. And that won’t be until after the election.

        The strategy you’ve outlined relies too heavily on their winning the election fairly.

        Not at all

        The only difference I see between him winning fairly and him losing is whether the act that will mark the moment at which the autocrats fully and publicly play their hand is the attempt to get him into office in spite of his loss or whatever they put the highest priority on after his win.

        In either event, the time for them to play their hand is later - not now.