“It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”
  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
    203·
    2 months ago

    A lot of conservatives think trrmp is a traitor, too.

    I mean, they should. The evidence provides.

    But they usually think he betrayed the extremes of their bigotries rather than the country and general decency.

    • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
      24·
      2 months ago

      My father, a lifetime Republican before Trump, and still a rather fiscally conservative man, was actually conflicted on whether or it would have been better or worse if Trump had died on that stage. He openly calls the man a Fascist these days.

      Trump may be a Republican, but it’s actually rather generous to call him a Conservative.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if someone would think Trump’s death might return us to the Conservatism of the past, but I think that’s flawed. The Republican party has always been on the wrong side of social politics, and there’s no turning back from the stain of fascism on the party.

      • vxx@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        As weird as it sounds, I believe keeping trump alive is the best bet to win for the Democrats.

        • Xenny@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 months ago

          Agreed. Right now trump is a flailing baby. If he was dead they could use him as a symbol and say anything they want.

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        2 months ago

        Yea, he’s definitely a nominal 'pub, but can’t be conservative since he changes his political will constantly.

        Twermp is liberally fascist.

        Any strategy that will allow him to wield authoritarian power is worthy of pursuit for him.

  • CaptainKickass@lemmy.world
    187·
    2 months ago

    They also said he was a terrible shot.

    I’m not even kidding. He tried out for the school shooting club and they asked him not to come back because they considered his poor shooting and gun handling dangerous.

    • Snailpope@lemmy.world
      49·
      2 months ago

      LMFAO! I had a feeling he was conservative. It don’t know about a terrible shot, he got damn close but if his school had a shooting club he was probably still better than someone untrained but could still be bad enough not to make the team. Like when I got cut from golf, a no cut sport, half way through the first day

        • EldritchFeminity
          16·
          2 months ago

          In this context, young men with mental health issues are the exact kinds of people to fall down the alt-right propaganda pipeline that the social media grifters are spewing, most commonly.

          In my opinion though, his political affiliation is more important in the sense that it gives the copycat shooters and cultists less justification for the uptick we’ll see in the coming weeks of attempted assassinations, death threats, and mass shootings (especially against democrats and minorities), though that’s never stopped them before.

          • Akuden@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            Straight to finger pointing, classic. Yes, let’s figure out what political party the mentally ill child belonged too so we can blame it on that sides politics. Lol

    • voldage@lemmy.world
      23·
      2 months ago

      Imagine if his motivation was to prove he had great aim and that they did him wrong. Maybe he just wanted to become the most well known sniper-assassin in the modern world. Maybe that’s the reason he didn’t use scope, he wanted his memory to be that of the rifle maverick. I wonder what went through his head after he realised he missed. I mean, other than a bullet.

        • Magnergy@lemmy.world
          5·
          2 months ago

          I’ve heard that “no scope” detail elsewhere too. But would love to confirm it or have it disproven.

          It is the detail that I keep coming back to that would indicate something about his state of mind, lack of rationality, lack of time, something.

        • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          2 months ago

          Nope. He used an ar style rifle and nailed that shot 300 yards away. A fly fart could have been the difference between Trump’s loss of hearing and his loss of brain.

          • Lyrl@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            I heard it was shrapnel and not a bullet that got Trump’s ear.

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        It’s like if Hitler was allowed to become an artist, except it’s a kid wanting to shoot guns.

        • voldage@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 months ago

          I’m not sure where exactly I’ve read or heard that, sorry. Those past 2 days were very information dense. I’m sure I’ve heard it being referenced a few times though, along with the gun having only iron sights.

  • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
    114·
    2 months ago

    “It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate.”

    Trump is the Republican candidate, but anyone young enough to actually believes in conservative talking points would not see him as a conservative candidate and would see him as a threat to the party.

    • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
      17·
      2 months ago

      That is true of some conservatives, which is obvious due to trumps continued popularity.

      Some conservatives see trump as a bad conservative. Many see him as a good or even the best conservative.

    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca
      4·
      2 months ago

      If you believe the covid shot was deadly trump signed off on killing millions of people and even if he was tricked that means he’s too dumb to be trusted

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
    78·
    2 months ago

    It was a horrible incident and there is no room for violence in politics…

    That said, I am relieved to know that the shooter is neither an immigrant nor a person of color, or a trans person. And not someone on the left. The violent backlash from the right would be unbearable/unthinkable otherwise.

    But, rifles are an old way of doing things, and predict that there will be more political violence through the next years.

      • emax_gomax@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 months ago

        Buddy not funny. Extra judicially executing your political opponents is the kinda thing trump would pull and we can’t endorse or even approve of it. The state of America today keeps reminding me of the fall of the roman Republic and a fascist dying ain’t gonna fix the problem, it’ll just let someone more cunningly capable of such things into the seat trumps trying to fill and then sh*ts gonna turn fast. What we needs is wide reaching, institutional reform. I just don’t know whose gonna push for it.

        • Lightor@lemmy.world
          16·
          2 months ago

          When the guy who is at the center of it all corrupted the system that’s supposed to keep him in check you’ve lost a lot of options. Like the old saying goes, if civil unrest isn’t effective the people don’t stop being upset they just stop being civil.

        • cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
          5·
          2 months ago

          I think you’ve missed the past 10 years - shit’s already totally fucked. It makes zero sense not to fight back against the tyrant of the minority. They should be well aware that they do not have a monopoly on violence.

          Suggest you read up on the prisoner’s dilemma.

        • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee
          3·
          2 months ago

          He’s not just a political opponent, he’s also an authoritarian and a fascist. The won’t be sad when he’s dead, the sooner the better.

          You say this like the American right isn’t planning violence ANYWAY. You say this like the Christian Nationalists won’t be violent ANYWAY. Trump dying would change nothing about the course of this nation except one more fascist would be dead.

      • CTDummy@lemm.ee
        13·
        2 months ago

        Acing Trump is the path to guaranteed violence. People advocating against doing so aren’t just doing so from a moral and/or philosophical standpoint. WWI started with a politician being assassinated.

        Edit:ok clowns, downvote the person saying killing a former president is a bad idea. Like several countries aren’t salivating at the idea of the US being embroiled in a civil war. Gee almost like one or more countries even have a vested interest in destabilising the US and have been accused of contributing to it. By all means though don’t let that stop you.

          • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
            4·
            2 months ago

            Let’s make an hypothetical scenario here.

            You live before Hitler’s rise to power, and have no ability to see in the future. When would it be justified to take a violent action to change the course of history and to save as many hypothetical lives as possible?

            From that perspective, I don’t know if I’d be able to tell and take action without making a terrible mistake and making everything worse, we’re talking about taking a life…

          • emax_gomax@lemmy.world
            3·
            2 months ago

            I know this is a hypothetical but Hitler wasn’t some one man force. The nazi party was a very large organisation and without Hitler it could still have come into power in the climate that Hitler catapulted himself to fame on. Killing one man rarely makes such a big difference. The holocaust for example wasn’t even Hitler idea, although he was looking for something like it. My point is don’t assume the future and take things into your own hands because you’re trying to tip the scales before a suspected disaster, I don’t wanna find out who the savvy maverick that can exploit outrage over trumps death to move even more people to support them and without trumps bafooneries and obvious croniesm actually make a much more horrifying impact.

        • djsoren19@yiffit.net
          7·
          2 months ago

          How on earth does this relate to WW1 at all? WW1 started because a Bosnian-Serb assassinated an Austrian duke, and when asked to investigate Serbia told Austria to fuck off. Serbia was a completely separate country to Austria, and was purposefully trying to stir up shit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

          This was a U.S. citizen trying to assassinate a former U.S. president. Nobody else in the world is going to give a shit. We actually do this with startling frequency compared to most other countries.

        • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
          6·
          2 months ago

          There wouldn’t be a world war. What are you even saying??? There’s no other nation involved.

          Killing the man could potentially save countless lives, avoid a potential civil war at the least and maybe even avoid major international conflicts where the US would actually associate with rogue countries and leaders and leave it’s regular allies.

          Europeans are actually working towards a possible scenario where Trump gets elected and stops supporting them in favor of Russia!

          If anything, Trump could be the the potential spark to start world war 3!

          • CTDummy@lemm.ee
            4·
            2 months ago

            There’s no other nation involved. Except for those that would benefit from US being in civil war.

            How people think killing Trump prevents a civil war instead of acting as the justification a lot of conservatives seems to have been waiting for to initiate one, boggles my mind. Like MAGA and all the alt-right/facist groups behind them just poof vanish or wander off dejected into the sunset. Yeah fucking right.

            • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
              2·
              2 months ago

              No, of course they’re not going to disappear. But their leader, the man behind which they really, will be gone. I doubt there will be someone else as charismatic or as famous as Trump that will be able to really the people like he did. Plus there would be infighting within the party to find the new republican candidate.

        • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
          3·
          2 months ago

          I understand. I’m just sick that one side keeps advocating it and using it while the other just takes it and only protests.

    • jonne@infosec.pub
      6·
      2 months ago

      It won’t matter though, they’ll still blame the left and say it was a false flag etc. Biden even connected this to the Gaza campus protests.

  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
    59·
    2 months ago

    And not one Republican or prominent journalist will point out that this is mostly due to the decade of rhetoric from the conservatives that political violence is the answer.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.world
    35·
    2 months ago

    First: As conservatives love bible quotes: Hosea 8,7: “They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.” Boy, did Trump sow wind everywhere. And Thomas Crooks simply was the whirlwind this time.

    Second: Each and every year, about 50,000 people in the US die from guns, and politics f-ing does not care. Because they love the money from arms manufaturers and votes from the gun nuts more than the mostly innocent people who die. But once the wrong asshole gets his ear nicked by a bullet, they suddenly fall over themselves condemning violence.

    • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
      1·
      2 months ago

      I prefer to quote the profit Weir, in Estimations:7, quote “If you plant ice, you’re gonna harvest wind”

  • blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io
    14·
    2 months ago

    Not saying the guy wasn’t, but I’m pretty sure my former classmates would recall me as very conservative, and I changed a lot.

    • meco03211@lemmy.world
      22·
      2 months ago

      From like 2-3 years ago? My friends from that long ago would not get that info wrong. Former classmates from almost 2 decades ago might get it wrong.

    • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
      5·
      2 months ago

      At 20, were you completely different than you were when you were in High School, or are you being generous to yourself because a lot more time has passed?

  • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    2 months ago

    My money is the kid saw the 2025 agenda and despite being a conservative leaning person was still appalled at the idea people would vote for a fascist again.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
    12·
    2 months ago

    But the investigators say he “had no strongly held political beliefs”.

    IOW he’s republican and they don’t want to broadcast it?

  • uis@lemm.ee
    8·
    2 months ago

    I’m not sure why Trump-scale neofeudalistic reformist would be called conservative.

  • magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world
    6·
    2 months ago

    Yeah. That’s why he tried to assassinate the conservative candidate, right? Trying to associate someone who was mentally broken enough to attempt murder to an entire political bloc is missing the entire point.