Whatever damn fool did this has just made the situation about a million times worse. I don’t give a shit who did this, it was the worst move you could have made at the worst time you could have made it.
And those of you jumping to immediate conspiracy theories need to stop and think about how much we tend to make fun of Republicans for doing literally the exact same thing. Us spending the next 3 days circlejerking each other off our own bullshit conspiracy theories isn’t gonna help the situation, its just gonna make us all look like a bunch of hypocrites. Wait a few days, get whatever info they are willing to give us, and then try to figure out what happened. If it still looks fake or like a false flag or whatever the fuck after that point, whatever. but for gods sake use some critical thinking to get there instead of jumping to conclusions with no info.
For what its worth, I am extremely anti-trump, I am scared shitless of what will happen should he win a second term. But dear god, please think about the way you all are acting, when you act like the same kind of psychopaths you claim to stand against it is not a good look. please consider that before you post.
The Boogaloo crowd just got handed exactly what they needed to, in their minds, justify basically anything.
They were going to do that anyway, but nevertheless.
This has immense rhetorical power in terms of amping up support. It makes it easier to recruit, justify, pursue goals, etc.
Put in in Hoi4 terms. If ‘political capital’ can be reasonably simplified into a score, a currency, this is ‘bank error in your favor, have a buttload of free points.’
…with which you can more easily pursue a wide variety of actions or policies.
Nah, he’s still a fascist and when anyone reads up on Project 2025 is not going to change their mind about him over this.
It’s not those who care about it that are an issue here
Sure, but awareness is spreading like wildfire. People underestimate Americans. Once a critical mass of Americans start pushing in one way, it’s next to impossible to stop them.
Oh, I sure hope you are right, and since there’s contradictory hearsay I will only know when it happens anyway
You’re absolutely right. However, they were going to find a reason regardless, since violence was always their end goal.
If it wasn’t this idiot it would have been something else: Trump losing the election is any easy one. The “Boogaloo crowd” resorting to violence was inevitable – the only thing that has changed is we can no longer pretend it’s tomorrow’s problem.
You’re absolutely right. However, they were going to find a reason regardless, since violence was always their end goal.
Any excuse will serve a tyrant - Aesop
It is the match being held to the fuse of the powder keg.
Today is going to be a chapter in the future textbook entitled, “The Fall of the American Empire.”
I agree, its just that this makes it ludicrously easy for them to do that.
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Going for a kill shot on their God Emperor, and just nearly missing him but instead probably giving him the equivalent of a minor flesh wound, live on national television, is obviously going to provoke and embolden them more than anything before.
Yep. This won him the election.
Was he supposedly hit in the ear? If so, how did nobody behind him get hit? Given the angle they would have had to shoot from to miss everyone else, it seems like they would have had to be down in the crowd below and it should be obvious who did it.
There are now multiple different videos/images of the shooter dead on a roof of a one story building outside of the crowd, of his body being retrieved, of a man saying he pointed the guy out to police before the shooter shot, and that counter sniper fire ‘blew his head off’.
The shooting angle seems to be relatively flat, either grazing the top of his right ear or possibly taking a small chunk of it.
At least two people in the crowd behind Trump were hit, one is dead.
From Kyle Kulinsky’s clip compilation on Youtube an off duty paramedic had his shirt covered in blood and described doing chest compressions on a man with a head wound including exposed gray matter.
Check his YT for the interview of the guy who saw the shooter on the roof as well.
I’m seeing that the shooter was on a rooftop, not in the crowd. Kinda chaos right now so that info may change.
If insurrections are no big deal I don’t see how assassination attempts are something to get upset about.
Yeah the conspiracies in this thread are cringe. Is it really such a stretch to think that a very hated individual was the target of a botched assassination? No, can’t be! Must be a false flag!
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. This was quite clearly real and not staged.
I could not agree more. Aren’t we supposed to be the ones who care about democracy, about humanity, and about logic and reason?
Some innocent bystander died, and their family is going to sleep tonight without their loved one alive for the first time. Others are waiting anxiously in hospitals while their innocent loved ones are in critical condition. Fuck Trump, but no one deserves to have been killed or maimed for being at one of his rallies.
The amount of folks in here that seem to be okay with someone being assassinated is disgusting. This is not how sane people get things accomplished. Shameful.
I loathe Trump, but man, the hypocrisy in the air is stifling.
I’m no conspiracy guy… But goddam they sure did take their pick of pictures to release showing a bloody trump with fist up in front of a flag that just happened to be waving there. If nothing else, GOP and FOX will say the libs tried to kill Trump, not ’ the assassin’ tried, but the libs tried. And let the fundraising begin for the GOP
Time to get out of this shit hole country?
Should we continually be tolerant of the intolerance that wishes to do violence to us and/or destroy our democracy? I’m not advocating for assassination of anyone, but when something like this happens I’m not surprised, nor do I feel much sympathy for a rapist, fraudster, wife beater, advocate of overturning a legitimate election, child beater, person who dog whistles violence against people who don’t support him…etc.
Yeah, the worst thing is that he’s going to capitalize on this. He will make every effort to use it for his personal gain, and being as reactionary as he is I wouldn’t be surprised if he dog whistled his followers into some violence. I bet he’s glad he got shot. He’s going to milk it for everything it’s worth.
But one thing I am in complete agreement with is making everything a conspiracy. Damn it’s getting old. Epstein, Boeing, this… ridiculous.
Logic and reason? In my social media feed?
It fucking blows my mind people jump straight into, “well what if it’s staged.” What does that fucking solve? Questions about answering questions and those people act like they know something or they are more aware than the rest of the world when the big fucking picture is being missed and it is right in front of their fucking face. This only fuels repubs saying, “it was an assassination attempt by the left wing.”
Trump might be the future dictator of the US but this is just far more ammunition for the very guns that just tried to kill him and this is lighter fluid.
This shit is fucking nuts and none of it is good for anyone stop fucking trying to pull the video apart and going, “see see, it’s fake.” It doesn’t fucking matter because the damage is done.
I always like to say to conspiracy theorists. If COVID was started by China prove to me it wasn’t started by the U.S.
Wrong.
Watch the video. This is a false flag and a lazy one at that. Dude stabbed himself in the ear with a pin, got a group hug on stage and started FIST PUMPING from inside a ring of special service. Head out, fist up, like “HERE I AM. IM NO COWARD”. You know who does that? Actors. Who know the script and have rehearsed the scene.
Yup. As much as I hate the GOP and Trump, this is a pretty big Occam’s razor moment.
I don’t think this will change a thing. Nobody is changing their vote over this.
It’s just an attempt to incite violence.
We’ll only act as psychopaths on day one.
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Why are people screaming and afraid? Guns are a part of society in America. Unless… they’re dangerous…
The secret service didn’t let anyone but the shooter have a gun, so everyone’s feeling awkward
They just witnessed a 2A activist have his rights trampled by the secret service!
Literally the point of 2A. At least according to them.
If it were biden the supreme court would rule that assassination attempts are speech and protected by the 1A.
Plus I thought they were all the shall not be infringed people
Guns are fine unless they’re aimed at me.
- Some Republican probably
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Maybe it was an official act of Biden, then it’s not a crime. Nothing to see here, just as wanted by SCOTUS.
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CBS is suggesting that the shooter is dead
Secret Service doesn’t play. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least.
Clearly they don’t play hard enough considering they missed the guy with a rifle on the roof. That was till he decided to shoot.
There’s no reason to believe he was up there for a long time. He may have fired the minute he got to the roof. Just because you’re good doesn’t mean you win.
I mean yeah, however people pointed at the guy on the roof before it happened, so to me law enforcement should have got wind of what was happening before he fired, not only that but the snipers that were with the USSS clearly didn’t spot the guy moving around on a nearby roof until it was too late
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The supreme Court has found any act Biden does is unofficial
I wish I could upvote this twice lol
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Except he can’t be part of a crime family. If the president does it, it’s not illegal.
You can’t be a crime family if all of your actions are automatically legal
Antifa shooting a fascist is very on brand.
hey it’s not our guys that declared that anything a president does is automatically legal, even something like this. you folks fought for and pushed that ruling through. you’d have to be a special kind of dumb to get upset that you’re getting shot at when you’ve expressly legalized the act of shooting at people. great “law and order” move guys, you legalized all the so-called “biden crime family” actions to make sure your guy can do whatever he wants when he becomes king. i guess they’re just the normal biden family now thanks to y’all.
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Funny and apropos, but too soon
Could history please have the decency not to re-enact how Hitler survived dozens of assassination attempts?
This is exactly what I’m afraid of.
I’m afraid he is going to ride this into the White House or it ignites open political shootings. Not a good time.
Oh, he is definitely getting reelected. That is an absolute certainty at this point.
It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.
But I doubt this will swing many voters.
Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.
I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.
He was already winning by every available metric.
I just looked for myself, and NPR/PBS survey has Biden ahead. Many other polls have it basically tied. A few have Trump in the lead by 2-3 points.
I wouldn’t personally call that winning by every available metric, although I would agree with you that it looks like Trump has a slight lead.
Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.
Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.
You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.
As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.
And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.
No need to make the internet a worse place.
More Reddit-y here by the day…
We will see who did the proper analysis in 4 months time. I’m really hoping it won’t be me. Unfortunately, I am also certain that I am correct.
there’s still time to stop this. hoping for a hero.
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Haha that was my second thought (my first one was shock that something like that can happen - it means dangerous times are coming for democracy)
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I don’t think vote to obscurity can apply here. Trump will always have a platform because he is a living engagement machine and that drives the Internet mad. He wins he’s the top story, he loses he’s the top story, he gets convicted he’s the top story. The man is immortal in the worst way possible and the world is basically f*cked.
I miss the short years where we heard nothing from the piece of shit right after the 2020 election.
Nah, this is just want Trumpers want you to believe. He gets attention because he’s genuinely trying to foment a fascist overthrow of the government, not because he’s some media mastermind.
Trump will always have a platform because…
Yeah, but for how many more years? There’s absolutely no way he’d run again if he loses, so it’s really just a short ticking clock.
There’s no way he doesn’t win, even if he loses.
Damn. I wish you weren’t exactly right, but you are.
He is a martyr now. And alive. That assassin just killed the country
People that vote for trump after this were going to vote for him anyways
Some might have stayed home.
Nah, those snowflakes were gonna vote
I don’t think this is going to energize anyone four months from now. Attention spans are too short.
like vote by mail? Because the snowflakes that I know do exactly that after being so against it.
so it’s just an attendance issue that he won one and lost one, or fraud?
Trump lost the popular vote to Clinton by 2.9 million votes. He lost to Biden by 8.8 million votes. The last Republican president to win the popular vote was George W. Bush.
It’s a Republican’s best friend, the Electoral college. More people want progressive candidates, not regressive backwards criminals.
He was elected by the minority of the population, and with the help of a Senate that represents a minority of the population, appointed a third of the Supreme Court.
Minority rule is here.
With a more representative electoral system (like Ranked Choice voting) Republicans would be free to place a more moderate candidate as their first vote, assured in the knowledge that their vote would still count against the people they don’t want in office.
More people voted for him in 2020 than in 2016
But far more voted for Biden than Clinton. Turnout was very high.
In the short term, I am expecting right-wing nutjobs to do their own sort of retaliatory shootings, targeting whomever their personal info bubble blames as a group.
I hate to say it but that might be the best case scenario. At least in that case biden is in office when the violence starts
Further violence and a mild Civil War are not best case scenario. Queer people dying for your cause is not best case scenario.
Best case scenario (and what seems to be the alt theory on literally every social I have, and on some I don’t have), is that everyone believes this was a false flag (and/or there’s evidence it was a false flag). That fact that so many people IMMEDIATELY questioned the shooting is a really good sign. People just don’t trust him at all. Boy Who Cried Wolf etc
Best case scenario in terms of shit that might actually happen I should say
As with presidential immunity they shot their wad too early.
Yeah, gotta be ready for that.
My thoughts exactly, the right will eat this up and use this the rest of the race. Anyone who was on the edge for voting for him probably just made up their minds. They’ll blame the left for this.
Update: annnd it begins…
https://kansascitydefender.com/national/trump-shooting-antifa-conspiracies/
Right-Wing Accounts Launch Mark Violets Antifa Conspiracy in Light of Trump “Assassination Attempt”
This is my thought exactly. I have never felt such a somber feeling.
He’s god now. It’s over.
Nobody is changing their vote over this shit. Democrats are pretty entrenched in not Trump. They knew what was at stake this election as soon as Trump stepped back up.
Its more than just the election. Trump is not going to go away if he loses in November.
This is the one possible scenario that could make things even worse. They can’t replace the head of the snake, but they can sure as fuck pump that the head was shot and injured. They did the same with Hitler.
History is repeating itself far to close for this to be comfortable.
That was my first thought too, but then it looks pretty realistic, and he’s a terrible actor…
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if we get a video showing something changing on his face before he touches it or falls to the ground, I think that would rule out false flag, or at least they would have had to actually shoot something at him to do that.
Can’t say that’s necessarily true (that last bit). They are sworn in to duty to protect current or past president’s with their life, regardless of personal belief.
My perspective is that the secret service guys are bound to life.
I recalled hearing a couple things over the course of the Jan 6th impeachment hearings, which is the President has some say in who his personal detail is, and that there was some info pertaining to them being supportive of him personally. I’d have to review to be certain though.
I know a couple current and former USSS agents, they’re hardcore trump supporters. That’s not to say they all are as I don’t know them all, but they are law enforcement after all.
Fuck, things are likely going to start really escalating now.
His base is going to go into overdrive, for sure.
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Except maybe the new nominee will be capable of completing a sentence. 🤷♂️
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They’re just as bad of shots, but yeah you’re probably right. Reality is stupid.
Don’t be silly. The MAGAs don’t want Biden to be replaced.
Magas operate on hate, not forethought.
Thoughts and prayers
The people that down voted you obviously don’t get it.
This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.
He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.
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Today truly is a national tragedy
I, for one, am now advocating for target practice as a requirement for high school graduation.
Gotta correct for wind…
it’s not easy, the guy introduces his own ones.
There won’t be a next time.
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Why were people Scared? Guns are SAFE! Guns are SO SAFE that they’re trying to FORCE them into Schools! It would be INCREDIBLY FUCKED UP if the same people who RAN AWAY from the Guns want to FORCE OUR KIDS into that Situation EVERY DAY!
Honestly, folks didn’t look that scared. I’d have been diving the fuck off those bleachers, but not these magas.
There were two dudes that didn’t even know what was happening. Like one guy looked like he was the offensive head coach waiting for the referee/official to announce the reason for the flag on the play and the other guy was wondering if Slash from Guns N Roses was coming out.
It’s funny I was replaying the vid on slowmo and noticed that guy on the right, but not the guy on the left. That’s kinda weird.
Oh look it’s JFK Jr.
It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.
He was escorted away on foot with secret service.
Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.
Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)
Biden condemns the act.
(I hate the source, F this guy) but here’s him being ushered off the stage after… https://x.com/stillgray/status/1812250467071885730
Edit: his base is going to be insanely fired up now. I’m genuinely scared about what’s going to happen now. I can see it already “the deep state tried to stop him and God saved Trump!” ugh.
Yeah this is not going to result in anything good. I keep thinking about what’s happened after Robert Fico got shot, basically how it’s being used as a confirmation of everything bad his supporters believe about his opponents and as a justification for further sliding into authoritarianism
Yeah, this is my real fear with all of this. Trump is definitely going to feed on his new victimhood to further rally his supporters and make them more extreme.
Yep.
I fully expect at least several “retaliatory” attacks against democrats in the next week by rabid MAGAts.
Edit Suprised the mods havent deleted this yet, consindering how hog wild they are going and labeling everything conspiracy and deleting it.
What happens next was going to happen eventually anyways. It’s been too late for a long time.
I’m finding it so bizarre to witness this mass cognitive dissonance where people can make the connection to Hitler’s rise to power, but not to the heroic act so many claim they would perform themselves if they had a time machine…
It’s almost like they need a few million marginalised people to die first, just to be sure…
Probably true.
It looks like it’s coming both from his ear and his mouth. I’m guessing the mouth part is from being tackled by the Secret Service.
Edit: there’s a photo of him on the ground with the blood clearly coming from his ear. I think the only injury was the ear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-shots-fired-at-trump-rally-in-butler-pennsylvania/
I wonder whether that agent was just waiting for his chance to clock him good
The shooter is dead? Did someone just say this on live TV? Who?
Source pleaaaase.
Only bystander I’ve heard about being hit is Wolf interviewing a guy who says he saw a General with a gunshot wound to the head.
Officers removing the body.Well fuck. Yep, CNN is now saying the shooter is dead.
Guy was actually dumb enough to do it from inside the crowd, and he got murdered by them.
What a shitshow.
EDIT: Shooter is dead, but was not in the crowd. Was on a building’s roof outside the event and got obliterated by counter sniper fire.
He was reported to have been shot in the head, thus the so-far lack of images showing what may be quite a mutilated head.
Saw this from my wife
So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?
For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).
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Okay, I’ve gotten over my initial shock of this. Clearly this shouldn’t have happened but this is the same guy who said his VP should be hanged, and he himself has called for political violence against his enemies many, many times
I am glad that decent politicians are condemning this attack, as they should. But I think it makes sense to put this incident in perspective, Trump has promoted and supported political violence himself many times before this, including on Jan 6th
You’re confused. Conservative violence is always warranted, justified, and highly effective. That will be the narrative.
Ugh, how many times has this happened already? People were getting spooked by the heritage foundation yucky shit and now they’ll get distracted by this nonsense
I’m afraid of the unhinged violence Trump will use this for in the future. His supporters will have every justification in their mind to do whatever they want to anyone who disagrees with them.
Yup. While it wasn’t a good decision on the shooter’s part (as the GOP will be fired up even more now), I also cannot find any sympathy for Trump in this. I hope he got scared shitless.
Without evidence so many of you calling it fake. I guess we’re no smarter than the wackjobs
