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“Why the fuck are we getting astroturfed with this same style of article over and over on Lemmy?”
Was that the question?
Mood, how are like 90% of articles pushing this narrative instead of pointing out Trumps latest new heights of dementia ranting.
We meed to push and down vote this Biden shit and post and share latest info on what new crazy shit trump is brain rotting about now and what implications it has.
Why. Not. Both.
People can hold two thoughts in their mind at once. Trump and the implication of his second term is a fucking scourge and an existential threat…
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Biden is an old man who needs to be sent out to pasture because he can’t keep up anymore.
Jesus Christ why is Lemmy having such a difficult it time with this?!
Because we don’t have time for both. We have time for one thing now, and if we win the election, then we can address the rest afterward. Priorities, dude.
Don’t be selfish. Making sure that democracy defeats fascism is more important than whatever specific thing you have in mind right now. Because if we don’t do the first thing, we’ll all get stuffed gas chambers and ovens all no one will be left alive to care about the second thing.
And when all of our skin is searing off, then you can call me melodramatic
Sharing news about trump helps trump. He feeds off it and so do the press. Discussing Biden is better than discussing trump. What this article point out is that its questionable that Biden is suitable to be president. Its clear Trump isn’t. Who else has a shot? Nobody. That’s sad state of affairs.
And how long does sharing articles shitting all over Biden help Biden? Because his poll numbers keep going down the more that happens. The more people talk about Trump, the more as numbers go up.
Your reasoning is obvious bullshit, and the facts have backed that up for the better part of a decade
There are a decade of articles shitting over trump. Its helped him. Negative articles about Hilary, Biden Obama were all successful.
Democrat candidates run on a platform. Republican candidates run on fear. Trump has ridden a wave. He is media savvy but not very bright, nor did he invent this phenomenon. He just benefitted from it.
“Anything that I don’t like must be astroturf.”
Have you seen the volume of this shit? It’s the quantity of the same rehashed narrative that is pissing me off.
That’s just journalism in the internet age. Its a pile on for clicks. However, they still make a good point, in a slightly indifferent way, updated for the most current information.
Your comment did neither, so should we consider you astroturfing?
You can consider me as anything you want. Your perogative.
Yep, but usually in a discussion the whole point is for you to express your view in a way that makes it clear, rather than leaving it up to me to decide. Your perogative.
I used short, simple sentences so my point should have been clear.
No, you used rhetorical questions, which leave interpretation up to the reader and are not a statement by design.
Language is hard. Being a good person is harder. Making an effective point is tricky too. You’ll need to work on them all.
Your point wasn’t very u clear. Worse than that. It was dull.
It’s the quantity of the same rehashed narrative that is pissing me off.
And that must mean that there’s a conspiiiiiiiracy to make Biden look bad? That it’s astroturf? No. People are noticing that all “he’s fine! he just has a stutter/a cold/jet lag/etc” narrative that the party has been going with was utter garbage. Biden keeps saying shit that makes him look unwell. The press runs with shit like that and always has. Quayle’s potato. Dean’s scream. Bill Clinton’s blowie. GWB’s mission accomplished banner. GHWB’s “read my lips” speech.
The press isn’t Biden’s PR flack squad. Biden fucked up, and the party fucked up by trying to keep everyone from knowing what is now undeniable.
While there is significant anti-Biden sentiment that was here before things became royally borked, Dem Congresscritters have came out and said Biden should step down from the candidacy. It’s unprecedented, and represents a collapse of faith in the party elite of Biden’s ability to win the election. I would have preferred not to change candidates like this, but it’s rapidly becoming our best option. You’re seeing a lot of articles like this because there are a lot of people chewing their fingernails down to the bone over it.
Vote for him or Trump/fascism wins— and that’s the end of American democracy.
There is no “question”
The democratic party pushed a narrative that Bernie was unelectable and instead pushed a candidate that refused to even campaign in important states. When the truth was Bernie polled better against Trump than Clinton.
Trump won.
The democratic party chose Biden not because he could beat Trump (votes were always going to be anti-Trump), but instead picked Biden because he could beat Bernie.
Biden’s Justice department dragged it’s feet to prosecute Trump in the hope that they could wait until election season and use his trials to stir up media coverage. We now live in a country that will continue to ride along the cliffside as every election will be democrats or else and they won’t clean house because they view it as politically advantageous. And this has all happened because the most mild version of socialist policy was being discussed at the national level.
But don’t “question” it.
I was a Bernie guy. I attended several rallies, and I even met the guy. Even he would tell you to get the fuck over it. I have my (massive) grievances about that. I don’t need to be lectured about that.
This isn’t about that.
This is about stopping Trump at any cost, and if you can’t see that, I’m not sure what to tell you. Because this isn’t about soothing 8-9 year-old woes, this is about defeating fascism before it defeats American democracy. If you’re going to quibble over past grievances and undermine a far more important fight in the present, then I have more important work to do than waste time whining about shit that happened in 2016.
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This is why American politics are so fucked. We can’t even have a discussion about how we ended up in this position by looking back 9 years. How in the hell can we put context to what happened to the labor movement in the 1950s and how it applies to modern day struggles if we have to be so tunnel visioned into right now? How can we examine why the BLM protests fizzled with only a few cities making minor material changes, when the activism of the civil rights movement lasted over a decade?
This isn’t whining, this is looking at the context of the current moment and urging people to do something other than vote. Vote or don’t vote I honestly don’t care at this point, all I could do was laugh at the news today everything is so absurd, but if you’re out here and the only thing you’re doing is voting and urging others to do the same you’re apart of the punchline.
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There is no “question”
There is a question. Namely, whether we can replace Biden at the convention and whether it is a good idea to do so.
To the second, at this point, having lost the confidence of his own party, I believe the answer is an unambiguous yes. To the first?
Well. One way or another, I suspect we’re going to find out.
If Biden somehow rides this out by a miracle (or a devil’s deal) obviously, Blue no matter who. Fascism is never an alternative to a shite candidate. But we have to face facts - Biden is no longer advantageous to the ticket.
The question at hand is why are the only choices a convicted felon, rapist, and grifter con-man or the walking dead guy from Poltergeist?
I support Joe Biden however the reason you only have two choices is because of first-past-the-post making it difficult for more than 2 parties to compete. The us needs ranked choice.
I’m glad to see people coming out to support Joe Biden. He is not perfect but he’s the best choice.
