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The author calls it JIF. He intended it as Jif because he has butter fingers and like butter brand JIF.
I’m used to hard G though.
And British people made English, but they don’t say anything right either.
Little ironic… but ok.
But the food is delicious.
I know he says it’s pronounced “jif”, but I just don’t care. It’s like “gift” without the t
Let’s be honest here, English does not have that level of consistency. “Women” is pronounced with an “i” for christ sake
Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…
Probably that was originally introduced by some medieval swinger society, so they could say that they are faithful to their women and technically not be lying about it. When the church figured out they introduced the o as an i thing.
Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…
woman = wum-en
women = wim-inYeah I’m gonna have to disagree with you there, chief.
i always eas taught the plural to be pronounced as “wi-men” I also cannot remember any english TV show or so to talk about wimin, so where the second ibis explicit as an i and distinguishable from an e
Or like “gin” with an f?
Ginf? That’s a new one.
No, you’re supposed to replace the letter, not add it, so “fin”
gfn
Oh come on, you know what I mean
Never. No.
Say the word “though” in your head. Then add a “t” to it. Would you really argue that “though” and “thought” are pronounced the same simply because they’re the same spelling save for a final “t”?
The easiest “rule” is that the creator can decide how to pronounce and spell it lol. Taking English rules that don’t even apply 100% of the time to its own words and trying to hold made-up words to the same standards just sounds silly to me haha
There are no rules to how new words come into being or how old ones change.
If everyone says a word a certain way with certain meaning, then that’s what it is. One person doesn’t get to decide.
Could easily be ‘thof’.
It’s more like giant or gin or giraffe.
No, it’s more like give or get or girl.
Get is not even gi
Yeah, I always read it as “Jif” then came the correctness police of Reddit and I was bullied into “Gif” by guilt.
And now some 8-40 years later, I feel anything but “Gif” is wrong. Help!
Help!
Absolutely not, I don’t say this often but those bullies did the right thing.
Do you pronunce it guilt or juilt? Okay bad question
How do you pronounce giraffe? or giant? or gin?
I thought it was at least jood.
This makes no sense. It stands for “Graphics Interchange Format”, do they pronounce it jraphics too?
There are so many examples in this thread alone as to why this rule doesn’t work.
SCUBA: the U is for “underwater” and the A is for “apparatus”. We don’t pronounce it “SC-uh-B-ahhh”.
JPEG: The P is for “photographic”. We don’t pronounce it “JayFeg”.
LASER: The E is for “emission”. We don’t pronounce it “Lay-See-R”.
RADAR: The second A is for “And” (lol). We don’t pronounce it “Ray-Day-R”.The easiest “rule” is just the guy who made it up can dictate how they want it spelled and to pronounce. The word is made up anyway, and isn’t subject to rules that actual English words have been subjected to for however long the language evolved.
The guy that came up with with the acronym for unidentified flying object also wrote that it should pronounced you-fo but everyone spells it out because that is less confusing. So there is an example of the creator being ignored.
How do you pronounce JPEG? Jay-feg?
Yep, I take your point
Seems an odd choice in gif’s case still, as you can use the starting letter sounds from each word and it doesn’t sound weird.
Not the same for jpeg. P by itself doesn’t make a ph sound.
He made the format, not English.
Ya and in English, we pronounce things like giant, giraffe, gin, etc. with a “j” sound.
Find me a closer English word than “Gift” that uses a J sound for the G
Gin
English doesn’t work that way. Man is the closest work to woman. Doesn’t mean you pronounce the “m” “a” “n” in the two words the same way.
English works like all languages. It’s organic and full of exceptions. New words pop up, old ones die, pronunciations change and differ between similar words.
Most people chose to say gif like gift. One person doesn’t get to change it just because of who they are. Otherwise celebrities can start changing things.
This is all like the Mean Girls scene where the girl was trying to make “fetch” happen and the other girl shot her down.
Nobody made english, nor is a language static. It is an everchanging result of millions of people using and evolving it.
A language that doesn’t change is dead, like latin is. So any rule of how something is supposed to be in a language is subject to time and place, but never absolute.
That’s my point. If everyone pronounces a word a certain way, THAT is its correct pronunciation. The first person to say a thing doesn’t get to tell everyone else they’re wrong.
Everyone started using the word “literally” to mean figuratively, so the official definition changed to mean either or.
Everyone says GIF similar to gift, then that’s the proper pronunciation. Creator has no say.
Good thing word coiners don’t get full control over word usage.
They do though when they are right.
I don’t really give a fuck what he intended. If he wanted it to be pronounced JIF he should have named it that.
So how do you pronounce giraffe or giant or gin?
How do you pronounce “graphic”?
How do you pronounce “underwater?” (It’s the “u” in scuba)
Copyright concerns?
He didn’t intend shit. He just wanted to watch the world burn!
Can you really just drop a hard G like that though? Thought that was only okay for them to say
I’m sorry, but he waited 26 years to tell everyone how it’s pronounced… at this point you can go with the majority, or stick with however you want to pronounce it.
G in gif stands for graphics just like how P in jpeg stands for poto
I feel that if you’re going to bother people who pronounce it “Jiff” because Graphics, you have to also say “Sc-uh-bÆ” and “Lass-ear” and “ray-dare.”
Don’t forget Nay-saa.
Gesus Krissed…
He did what now?
Krissed all over the sopa
Did you shampoo my wife!?
G in gif stands for graphics just like how P in jpeg stands for potato
FTFY
Wait until they find out about scuba and laser
skubba
So really it should be pronounced “jfeg”
yeah it’s not “jraphics”
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Hard G and soft G are both acceptable pronunciations, the only way to be wrong in the situation is to insist that your preferred way to pronounce it is the only correct way to pronounce it
Oh, except silent G. Silent G is wrong.
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nah fuck that i’mma be unapologetically weird and scruffy
life’s too short to give a fuck
In that case, yodspeed my dude
How do I delete someone else’s comment
Gif you say so
Hard R would also be wrong.
I will never not smile when this comes up. Not because of the word, but because of Linus.
The innocent “what?! No!” :D
No Gifs or Gbuts
Based and true
Gigh, as the Scots pronounce it. That’s the only way.
English is phonetically inconsistent, you can find examples to support both ways of pronouncing it.
There are some consistencies in letter patterns, just not in individual letters. For example, no word that starts with go-, ga-, or gu- pronounces the g like a j (except for the archaic gaol, and there’s a reason the spelling was changed to jail). It’s mainly limited to ge- and gi- words.
Inconsistencies with the other options are probably due either to how the term came into English (English is practically built on loanwords) or some other subsequent pattern of letters I’m too lazy to try to identify.
The only real rule is that words come and go and change organically. People don’t just decree that a word needs to change like some king of language.
Man that’s so clever and new. Like a giraffe drinking gin
and jraphics interchange format
Or a guitar gift.
In a garage.
In English the correct way to pronounce something is the way that will most reliably communicate to your intended audience without ambiguity or distraction.
Since my intention is usually to convey my superior knowledge of trivia and/or to stir shit up, I pronounce it with a soft g.
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I love you
For the same reason I like to pronounce jraphics.
So no one should be able to say ‘sontimeters’? Cause that’s super distracting.
I seen a guraffe at the zoo!
I mean it’s funny but of course you are objectively wrong.
I hate you feel that way. Can I get you a jift to make you feel better?
It will be a guygantic jift. A large external drive that can hold MANY jiggabytes. Just be careful, it will take a lot of power. 1.21 jiggawatts at least.
But the g in gif stands for “graphical,” not “giraffe!” You silly goose
Just like jpeg is pronounced “jfeg”
yeah man, just like you go scuba diving oo-nderwater.
it’s a dead end. We can’t pretend that “g” can’t also be pronounced as “j”, or that the words making up the acronym matter. It’s all preference and since GIF’s dad called it “jif”, I’m gonna call it “jif”. At least that’s based on something beyond my own hubris.
Saying it with a hard G because ‘graphical’ has a hard G is a reason based on something beyond hubris.
This is my thinking - as far as I know he actually called it that as a reference to jif peanut butter.
That’s easily the worst reasoning for the hard-g considering how we don’t pronounce the letters of most acronyms based on the phrases they come from.
Tell that to Qantas, the abomination of all acronyms. WHERE IS THE U??? AAAAAAAAA
The p in jpeg stands for “photographic”.
So… “jay-feg”?
You lie guraffos are lies told by whores and god
This one is good
Don’t you mean a jay-raffe?
I don’t really care for a logical explanation. JIF just sounds fucking stupid and yall know it.
That’s how I feel about Giff though – yuck what an ugly word.
I grew up eating Jif and we loved it
Not to mention it’s literally a “Choosy devs choose GIF” joke, aping “Choosy moms choose Jif”. Soft-g homies for jife.
Nah, too damn close to jizz.
You should see a doctor and stop eating peanuts immediately.
I call it Jife just to piss off everyone.
Zhaif! XD
I’m guessing you sip on ghin and juice (laid back)?
And how do you pronounce giraffe? Giant?
And how do you pronounce gift? Gondola?
The guy-ant ger-raffe jave me a jift on his jondola.
See, the one thing I consistently see from the hard g side is a lack of understanding of fundamental phonics. Like, say it how you want, but at least make cogent arguments.
It’s pronounced gif with a hard G.
When I rise to power anyone who disagrees will be immediately found guilty of thought crimes and sentenced to castration, followed by execution, in that order.
Think maybe you need to get out more
We were literally told it was pronounced “jif” by the creator. Sorry if it hurts your little feelings
Whoever invented all the words in that sentence certainly didn’t pronounce them like you do.
I mean, id pronounce them the way the creators said if they were here and specifically told me how to pronounce it 💁🏻
ok chaucer, lol. you’d sound weird to everyone else
But I would be correct, and isn’t that what’s most important in the world?
No you’d be goofy
I’m 99% sure the creator was either being sarcastic, or he decided to be a contrarian for the internet clicks. “GIF” is an acronym that stands for “Graphics Interchange Format”. It makes very little sense to intentionally pronounce it like a peanut butter brand.
Of all the arguments this one always feels like the absolute weakest. There are so many acronyms that are not pronounced like that it’s unreal. Unless you commit to pronouncing it jayfeg for the rest of your life…
actually, gif is an acronym. Specifically not an initialism. That means that it is pronounced as a single word (like “scuba”, but unlike “fbi” or “nsa”).
The pronunciation of the acronym does not have to conform to the original pronunciation of the letters.
Examples:
the “p” in jpeg stands for the “ph” sound, but we pronounce it as a hard “p”.
The “u” in scuba stands for “underwater”. We still pronounce it as “scOOba” not “scAAba”
So why is “gif” any different? Its creator chose the soft G for the pronunciation of the acronym (not its expansion), and therefore it is the correct one, simply because there is no rule about how it should be pronounced, so the choice was his. He made it
Contrarian when he said “choosy developers choose gif” (implying the soft g) in 1987? I think that precedes the internet debate a little
Yeah not everyone is from the US and had that brand. The soft g has always made sense as much hard g, especially if you say the words Gin or Gym besides it.
I’m also convinced he did that just to be an annoying contrarian back in 2013 when he announced how he pronounces it.
Dude likely never actually cared.
It’s SQL all over again.
The sequel if you will
🤣 I remember hearing that for the first time and thinking wtf are they talking about.
He waited til 2013 to come out and say that though, when he made it back in 1987. What he wants doesn’t matter.
The most popular way to pronounce a word wins; Sorry if it hurts your little feelings.
he dead though
So?
The British are the creator of the English language but they pronounce nearly every word wrong.
Wilhite says jif, I use jif. He created it, he gets to name it.
He didn’t tell anyone it was pronounced jif till a great many years later, after most people were pronouncing it gif.
He lost the right to dictate how everyone else pronounces it for that reason alone. So fuck him. =)
Edit: It was made in 1987 and he waited till 2013. Lmao, he lost that fight long ago.
I understand that some people feel very strongly about pronunciations. So be angry about the correct pronunciation, heck, don’t use the correct pronunciation, who cares?
But Wilhite made it, so he gets to name it, regardless of the popularity of later pronunciation debates that largely take place in a forum where you can’t actually pronounce the word because we’re all typing. It’s pretty funny.
Gerrymandering was named after Elbridge Gerry, but his name is pronounced Gary: https://youtu.be/Rp0Qz19nlG4
Popularity of pronunciation does actually matter, regardless of origin.
There are plenty of pronunciations that have changed from the original and are now generally accepted as correct. Here are some examples
https://linguisticus.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/10-words-whose-pronunciation-has-changed-over-time/
Anywho, if you have any recommendations for birthday jifts for kids, lemme know
Nice! Read the related comment by this juy: https://lemmy.world/comment/1832124
So be angry about the correct pronunciation
I’m not angry about the correct pronunciation, since I and most people already do pronounce it correctly. As Gif, not Jif.
But Wilhite made it, so he gets to name it
You’re right about one thing; he named it. But he doesn’t get to dictate how it’s pronounced many years later after the majority had already been pronouncing it a certain way. If he wanted it called Jif, then he should have said so from the very beginning. Why wait till 2013? Doesn’t that seem odd to you? Dude likely doesn’t even care and only declared that in 2013 to start an argument over it.
regardless of the popularity of later pronunciation
I’m sorry but the popularity of how a word is pronounced does in fact actually matter. Plus, the English language is changing all the time and how we pronounce certain words also changes. People will say what feels most natural to them.
that largely take place in a forum where you can’t actually pronounce the word because we’re all typing. It’s pretty funny.
I’ve used the word Gif in real life, multiple times. Everyone I know pronounces it the same way. 🤷🏻♀️
However you want to pronounce it is fine, but it doesn’t make it correct.
I don’t think there’s a time limit on announcing the way a creator prefers to pronounce the name of his creation.
It became an internet sensation, people asked him about the correct way to pronounce gif, he specified how he prefers to pronounce it.
I prefer to pronounce it that way as well, as the original pronunciation by the creator. That’s more correct to me, but nobody’s forcing you to pronounce it any particular way.
but it doesn’t make it correct
Except it does. This isn’t the first time to happen with the English language, and it won’t be the last.
I don’t think there’s a time limit on announcing the way a creator prefers to pronounce the name of his creation.
Sure, but the most popular way to pronounce a word wins, and it isn’t his way.
people asked him about the correct way to pronounce gif, he specified how he prefers to pronounce it.
Yea I’m aware, I read all about it back in 2013 as well.
That’s more correct to me, but nobody’s forcing you to pronounce it any particular way.
That’s nice. Now you know why the majority continue to pronounce it as Gif and not Jif, because it’s the most popular and comfortable way to pronounce it. The creators opinion on the matter is inconsequential.
Cheers!
This is interesting, you’re kind of proving yourself wrong. If “The most popular way to pronounce a word wins”, as you say, then why are you and others still so ardently supportive of one pronunciation(deemed correct by the inventor) or the other(deemed incorrect by the inventor)? Seems like if you had won, there wouldn’t be any debate.
It just sounds like you’re making the case that coba-bola should be the new name for Coca-Cola. That can definitely be your name for it, and you can try to convince as many people as you want of a name that you prefer. But it doesn’t change the original and correct name of that beverage.
Sure, follow the majority. While majority rule often turns out to be incorrect and it doesn’t seem like the right way for me to make decisions or judgments, it’s certainly your prerogative to pronounced jif the same way many other people do.
For you, a hard g is more popular and comfortable, and that’s great. Doesn’t make it correct, but it’s still great.
I got to be honest with you, but I’m already over this topic, so I’m not even going to read your latest response to me. There really isn’t anything new either of us have to share; you pronounce it one way, the majority pronounce it another. The end. Have a good evening/night/morning/etc.
For you, a hard g is more popular and comfortable, and that’s great. Doesn’t make it correct, but it’s still great.
Actually that’s exactly what makes it correct, language is democratic. The more popular way to convey ideas is the correct way, as that is the entire purpose of language (to convey ideas to other individuals) and that’s why language changes over time.
Most people pronounced it correctly. Hard G was mocked on many tech sites and sites like 4chan.
You mean “jif” was openly mocked, and still is for the most part. Anyone referring to it as Jif is typically viewed as pretentious.
But you are correct about people pronouncing it correctly; as Gif. =)
Soft G was only recently psedo-mocked on tech-stupid subreddits.
If he didn’t want people to pronounce it two different ways he should have spelled it differently.
Right? And people get mad at me for saying gur-affe at the zoo. They should have spelt it different if they wanted me to say jir-affe.
Anyway, back to work on my jithub project.
I feel that way about studio ghibli
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Yea, should have. As another commenter posted, Wilhite should have called it the jraphics interchange format.
Ah, yes “Jrafic interchange format”
Giraffe
Let’s not forget: Giant Gin Ginger Gingivitis Gibberish Gypsy Gerbil Gentle Gender George Gina Ginnie
Gel Gif
Acronyms are not pronounced based on the words that form them.
Ah, yes. NaySAh(NASA), SaKUBA(SCUBA), MeDAS(MIDAS), JayFEG(JPEG), RADiR(RADAR) …
Underrated comment here
That’s what the inventor chose, so yup. Unfortunately, jif is the correct pronunciation.
My favorite example of this is aluminum. Twice now, I’ve spoken to British English speakers that insist aluminum is pronounced the British way. And when I point out aluminum is an American invention, they check their phone, roll their eyes, and accept that I can say it that way, but they never will.
And euphonically they’re correct, the British pronunciation of aluminum sounds way cooler. I used to use gif until I looked up the usage history specifically for these moments, hahaha. But that’s not its name. So I use jif.
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Very nicely put. I always noticed this phenomenon but ascribed it to people clinging to schemic security blankets, but it’s good to know that there’s a term that describes the illogical dependence on evolving correctness.
Unfortunately, jif is the correct pronunciation.
Incorrect. I’ve already covered why in previous comments though.
Back at you.
Aluminium sounds cool if you’re British and aluminum sounds cool if you’re American. How do the other English speaking countries say it?
I’ve only heard the British and American version myself
This always attracts pedants whining “the creator said to pronounce it like jif!” and it’s like, OK, A) That’s an appeal to authority, one of the best known logical fallacies B) The creator of Mother’s Day spent over 30 years trying to get people to stop celebrating it, but too bad, I’m still gonna wish my Mom a happy Mother’s Day, you know?
Appeal to authority is a fallacy if a non-expert in the field is appealed to. However he was the creator, does he not get to name it?
Don’t get me wrong it’s a hard g for me too but it’s not a fallacy tbh.
it’s not an appeal to authority, if the choice was his, not ours, to begin with. Tons of acronyms have letters that are pronounced differently. It could be arbitrary because an acronym is its own separate word.
Divers don’t dive oonderwater with their scuba gear. And when they take a camera with them, they don’t get the pictures saved as jaypheg files.
The choice can be arbitrary. Since it is, the creator gets to decide. Like whoever discovers a new species of creature gets to name it whatever they like.
I won tell you you’re wrong just don’t say I’m wrong for saying with a soft g.
^^^this. Nobody is “wrong”. Say it how you want to. Either way is fine. But get all cocky and tell me I’m wrong for using a soft g and you better be able to defend that assertion, because I’ve heard every argument for why a hard g is the only correct way to say it and they’re all bs.
This comment section is killing me lmao.
You have people saying that language is fluid, and that one person cannot decide which pronunciation is correct. Then, in that same comment, they say that their preferred pronunciation is obviously correct.
Hard g, soft g, you do you. It really doesn’t change much.
This is fair. My only issue is with those that go “but the creator says it’s pronounced this way! The other way is clearly wrong!” as if what the creator says actually matters. It doesn’t. Especially when said creator waits 26 years to announce how he pronounces it.
I’ve always thought he’s just playing a huge prank on people.
Same, tbh.
To be honest, it really doesn’t bother me either way
I pronounce it “zhif” like the sound from zsa zsa Gabor’s name. It irritates everyone equally, and gives me a happy.
Also, if you’re familiar with the gnome/guh-nome debate on the Linux side of the playground, pronouncing it with a glottal stop at the beginning will give everyone around an immediate stroke.
I respect this
It’s very fun. Try it out on some people. Lol.
I say jif. But when heard someone say jithub instead of github i felt the cringe
