Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.
War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.
On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.
I mean, Isreal invented and funded hamas and gave them weapons. So fuck israel.
Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015
Circle of hatred.
No matter if it is about a relationship, two political parties or countries. You can only brake out of it,if you commit to not go for the “revenge”.
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Death to war. Life to all children of the Levant.
can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit
I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there
Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).
What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?
EDIT: Some of y’all should read a Qur’an sometime.
Hamas actually got rid of that from its charter. It stopped making claims like that around the early 2000s and actually revamped their entire charter in 2018.
October 7th was the direct result of over a decade of Israeli war on Gaza bombing hospitals, shooting protestors, and blockading them. It’s what happens when terrorists try to moderate and go legitimate but get rebuffed.
And then, the future. Are you really trying to say Hamas has anywhere near the military power of the IDF? That a Hamas led genocide is a realistic thing to worry about? Because that’s ridiculous. Just based on the numbers.
Hamas certainly said it in the past. Israel is doing it now. Who’s right and who’s wrong?
Yeah I was thinking it was pro Palestine until I read the comments and realized it could be interpreted the other way as well…
Idk if the ambiguity was intentional, but it’s good lol.
Late 1800s when Zionists started making trouble in Palestine.
Ishmael v Isaac. Got it.
Oh, so you’re just gonna ignore how Sarah treated Hagar and lay it all on Ishmael, huh? :P
Baby mama drama - tale as old as time.
Man, I miss Jerry Springer.
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One day? There have been countless atrocities committed against Israel over the last 100 years. Israel has the Iron Dome because rockets have been fired at them routinely. Those rockets are inaccurate; the chances of them hitting military targets and not civilians is low.
Israel is completely justified in wanting to retaliate. Retaliating against civilians is a completely different matter, however. Especially civilians who are completely powerless in almost every sense of the word.
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That is precisely why I think it’s important not to make exaggerated claims that can easily be refuted. Israel will claim that the calls for them to stop come from liars. The established facts are damning by themselves, so let’s stick to those.
Maybe killing people is the wrong solution.
On one hand I totally agree, but on the other I would like to see billionaires on the guillotine.
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We’re trying, but they continue to bomb Palestine.
Hey now, they’re only bombing the Gaza part of Palestine. In the West Bank they’re just shooting the people and stealing land slower. And in the rest of Palestine they haven’t needed to do much of either after they terrorized the locals into fleeing back in 1948.
There’s no doubt that Israelis are killing Palestinian people in much larger numbers than Palestinians are killing Israelis. Many people have many views on who is responsible for what, and there are a lot of difficult and complicated discussions that one might have, but for you to forget about all of the Palestinians who lost their lives is just disgraceful.
And vice versa. It’s known as the most complicated political quagmire of centuries. If you’re rooting for strictly one side or the other, you’re probably wrong.
Yes, it’s perfectly reasonable to want the war to stop. Once you start going farther than that…
Don’t allow people to push you to an extreme because you want to view your argument as a team sport.
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Yeah, fuck those 4 year old terrorists. They didn’t deserve heads anyways. Those terrorists in graveyards deserved to be dug up. Controlled demolition of universities is necessary because most of the bricks are terrorists. If a handful of terrorists hide in a hospital, the only logical thing to do is bomb the fuck out of the hospital.
Nothing about how the IDF is behaving looks like targeted attacks on Hamas. Military experts everywhere have been telling Israel since the beginning that their tactics would fail and result in mass civilian casualties and a strengthened Hamas. Israel does it anyways because killing civilians is the objective. Destroying homes, hospitals, schools, universities, religious institutions, and even graveyards is the objective. Everything that ties the Palestinian people to their land is being destroyed in a bald faced effort to drive them away. That is genocide, and that is terrorism.
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Why? I don’t see sources for all your bullshit.
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Look at any news source. Literally any of them. Israel has repeatedly attached Gaza’s healthcare infrastructure.
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I will if I ever meet one.
This is ultimately the Jedi philosophy. Only use lethal force to defend oneself or others.
If the Oct 7 and ensuring events happened during, say that High Republic, the Jedi would be despatched to buffer the warzone. Then meditate between both sides like access to places of worship and settlement zoning, arrest anyone on both sides committing crimes against the Republic (kidnappers and war criminals) which would in turn please citizens on both sides. Then probably install a small Jedi outpost/temple to act as local peacekeepers. All to prevent more death, which is ultimately one of the main tenants of the Jedi Order.
One could argue Luke’s actions are the result of defense of others needed so direly after years of slaughter and against an indiscriminate killing machine by the Empire that the loss of life, albeit great, was justified.
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Yeah.
member that time the Skywalkers evicted and displaced hundreds of sand people (that’s a bad irony) from their ancestral homes?
Because God told them to?
Definitely not relevant.
Why didn’t we just give the Jewish people fucking Utah or something?
Why didn’t we just give the Jewish people fucking Utah or something?
Anti-Semitism.
“These Jews deserve their own place… pretty fucking far away from us.”
Why didn’t we give the Zionists* Utah.
And it’s because we were antisemitic wanted the Jews out of our countries. They figured Israel could be used both as a way to jettison Jews from the world, and as a way to have a puppet government in the middle East.
Mormons vs. The Jews. Who wins?
The Jews obviously.
Jews vs Scientologists, now that is a tough call.
If we’re talking about the state of Israel, Israel for sure. Their technology and military intelligence is fucking terrifying (thank you for teaching me that, Darknet Diaries pod)
Like what the fuck, zero click iPhone jailbreak spy program how in the even shit
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Never knew about that. Very interesting thank you.
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Well, if you had watched the News in the last decades or just simply check for the History of that places down there, you would understand that your post reads like you are 16 and have no fickn idea what you are talking about.
Stick to you manga-memes, the racism you recently post doesnt fit you well.
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And if I remember correctly Luke was wanting to join the Imperial Academy but his uncle kept him on the hydro farm another year.
Luke was just prior to that even a willing participant of the empire. He wanted to be a pilot, if only to get out of Tatooine.
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Sometimes writers make something good accidentally, then keep yapping until it contradicts itself, I suppose.
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Man this post is really some kind of crazy Rorschach test
Two neighbors were fighting over a financial dispute. They couldn’t reach an agreement, so they took their case to the local rabbi. The rabbi heard the first litigant’s case, nodded his head and said, “You’re right.”
The second litigant then stated his case. The rabbi heard him out, nodded again and said, “You’re also right.”
The rabbi’s attendant, who had been standing by this whole time, was justifiably confused. “But, rebbe,” he asked, “how can they both be right?”
The rav thought about this for a moment before responding, “You’re right, too!”
Yeah, I want to interpret it as someone posting not only in support of Palestine, but in warning to Israel that their actions are that of the star wars Empire, and that the rebels did eventually succeed in a massive counterattack
right? my first thought was pro-palestine, then i remembered my local closet trumper is obsessed with Star Wars and views himself as part of the Rebellion/Resistance and the other interpretation became clear. did we learn nothing from the obama-era liberal harry potter fetish?
I’ve always been more worried of the Empire did nothing wrong facet of the Fandom, but I guess there’s people who think they’re rebellion too. Despite the fact that the rebellion is the one with multiple races…
Still, there is an odd commonality of right wing propaganda types using fictional movies, shows, and books as if they are reality.
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the funniest thing to me is that “the red pill” is supposed to represent estrogen
I’m just taking it as someone who loves reminiscing about episode IV
Yeah, cause it’s fiction idiot. You know, the thing where we can have clear cut situations that are entirely black and white. Where one side is entirely evil and the entire one pure good. Reality fucking sucks
Also, it was a long, long time ago.
it’s as if we are in an alternate timeline where Luke immediately went to emperor Palpatine and said your cock is the best I’ve ever seen! let me suck it, and let’s do a commercial together about how the empire will save the galaxy, and that you should donate to his reelection.
So, Hamill’s social media?
I’m really not sure I understand what point he’s trying to make. First of all he’s equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
But secondly, he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family. As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
I’m really not sure I understand what point he’s trying to make.
The point is that there exists a fundamental dissonance between events as they transpire in fiction and for which the audience is emotionally invested and those same kinds of events as they happen in real life and the audience’s perception of them as they happen in real life.
Star Wars was originally inspired by Lucas’s perspective on the Vietnam War. The Storm Troopers are, in that sense, comparable to American forces killing unarmed Vietnamese farmers. Most Americans who saw Star Wars never made that connection because this is in conflict with the audience’s internalized notion of “America good” and “America’s enemies bad.” As such, in watching and enjoying the story of Star Wars, you are ironically investing yourself into a narrative that inverts your normative ideological position. You can extrapolate this onto the current conflict in Ghaza without much effort.
First of all he’s equating fiction to reality which is ridiculous at the very least.
They are not being “equated” - they are being compared. He’s making an implied comparison between fictional events and real world current events in order to highlight similarities between the two. Specifically, he’s doing a form of comparison called “juxtaposition.” Being able to do this is a very basic element of media literacy.
he took revenge on the people who actually killed his family
Well, no, the specific individuals who killed his family were probably the stormtroopers stationed on Tatooine, whom he never actually interacted with. The specific people onboard the Death Star that were not part of the Empire’s military high command had virtually nothing at all to do with his family’s death.
As opposed to taking revenge on people that just happened to be in the approximate vicinity of people who killed his family. The Death Star was a military base.
The individual in the image literally says that he “immediately joined the armed resistance and literally blew up the enemy base.” Not sure what your point is here, unless you’re implying that you believe that the Palestinians who are fighting against Israel are only attacking indiscriminate civilian targets and not military ones.
Israel is attacking civilians indiscriminately what are you on about
Do you think Israel in this scenario is the Rebel Alliance or the Empire? Because you seem confused.
It works both ways depending on the timescale you apply. You could compare the murder of lukes parents to october 7th. It fits the “bad thing where people die happens, response kills far more” that applies to palestine too. And the public perception, especially of people supporting israel, seems to think the conflict started there.
I saw it that way, but still as a post critical of israel saying “it’s easy to see an atrocity and want revenge at all costs, but that doesn’t make it right”. The “yea” at the end implies to me that what we thought with the fiction was maybe mistaken.
Of course, the death star was a weapon of mass destruction seconds from destroying a planet, so there really isn’t much moral ambiguity there, but not mentioning that is likely deliberate in order to make the comparison work.
Do you have a reading disability
The big difference here is that Vietnam never attacked America.
You’re right. Israel was always there and then the Palestinians just showed up randomly one day and attacked them out of nowhere. There is no decades long history of apartheid and outright oppression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel and this conflict has no roots in colonialism or ethnostate politics. /s
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Both Death Stars were literally weapons of mass destruction. You could not choose a more appropriate military target to blow up
And then he genitally mutilated the women he found, attempted and conduced beheadings and also attacked a festival near that outpost. He also did that years after the last attack, during a time of relative relaxation, knowing well that the reaction would bring destruction on an unimaginable scale to his people. And before that, he aceoted large sums of money from the empire.
Holy shit, can you stop painting the Hamas as anything other than what a Palestinian IDF would look like? People really look at theocrat8c and fascist8c Organisation and go “ooh but they da freedum faiters, dey must be gud.”
These are two unpopular governments throwing their civilians in a stupid war. Hamas was elected in the last parliamentary elections, which happened in 2006. They are just a political party clinging to power, as is Bibi’s party.
The war only makes both parties more powerful. You should support the Palestinian people because of the inequality between them and Israël, because of Israël’s apartheid regime, not because Hamas.
Which i do. I want to make that clear.
I’m sorry for venting below your comment, I just felt your opinion was close to mine, so I felt the need to proclaim my thoughts.
Hey, no problem, apparently other people took my commend to mean that i somehow like the IDF or Israels policies.
theocrat8c and fascist8c
Why the eights?
Fuck that post. It puts even more gasoline into the fire. Break out of the circle of hatred. Stop the war!
The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, ‘destroying homes creates more martyrs,’ but I’m sure half the people will interpret it as, ‘unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.’ In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is…
That was kind of my issue. Reading this doesn’t make it clear who’s PoV we have here.
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Oh my, Why we didn’t that of that?
This comment is the essence of liberalism
Vibes and aesthetics garbage instead of any real analysis. Sounding smart is more important than being one.
“A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now.”
But Tatooine had no oil, so that was completely different.
I don’t know why people seem to be mad that a fictional story can accurately represent real life like we don’t already have actual real life examples of the same thing.
Anyone remember Rambo thanking the Mujahideen fighters, which was retracted in future publications.
This movie is dedicated to the brave freedom fighters of the Mujihadeen
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Nice try.
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Palestine will be free. Run along.
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And free from genocide loving Israel.
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Please, and i say this with the best of intentions, stop being a dumbass.
I live in the Los Angeles area and I’m posting on a public forum. If you’re that upset, maybe it’s time for you to log off for a bit and go outside.
Edit: the removed comment mentioned having me arrested for being against Israel on a German instance.
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Hamas was an elected government, in 2006. Elections haven’t been held since. I hope your mention of “elected government” was to say “an elected government shouldn’t behave like this” instead of how it struck me, which was “the electors of that government are more or less responsible for the government’s behavior today”.
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Ummm, Hitler was voted into power
Assassination attempts on Hitler: 42 Assassination attempts on Hamas officials: 0
Totally the same thing 🤔
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He was elected. What you consider “excusable” is irrelevant.
33% wins elections and is quite excusable when there’s more than two parties.
So now I have to somehow teach or show you that 33% can be majority?
“The Nazi Party lost 35 seats in the November 1932 election, but remained the Reichstag’s largest party, with 196 seats (33.1%). The Social Democrats (SPD) won 121 seats (20.4%) and the Communists (KPD) won 100 (16.9%).”
Sit down and shut up troll.
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Stop drinking the red koolaid troll.
JFC not everyone uses FPP
Hamas was financed by the government of Israel in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah. So Israel can go fuck itself.
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I mean, you’re right. Israel didn’t fund Hamas. They assisted in the delivery of funding from Qatar.
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I mean we’re talking about political bullshit so I’m not going to get into worrying about what it was ostensibly for.
Do maybe just the smallest amout of research or look on Google for 20 whole seconds and you will see how wrong you are.
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And that does nothing to disprove the fact that the Israeli government funded hamas. Pull your head out of Benjamin Netanyahu’s asshole and actually look into it. The info is all over the place. All you have to do is actually open your eyes and look at it. Going there has absolutely nothing to do with who funded who, but be careful and don’t break your arm while patting yourself on the back, bud.
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Yeah, but that one dude is the UN foreign policy chief, and he is far from the only one. Nobody is claiming Hamas isn’t supported by Iran and Russia.
Yeah and the Brits did nothing to provoke the Irish into a quarter century bombing campaign.
Force doesn’t work for ending terrorism, only getting round the table will.
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If you think the northern Irish terrorism wasn’t religious I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Yes it came to an end when a ceasefire es agreed, exactly as I said. By getting around a table.
brits actually did
You say that like Israel didn’t.
As someone else pointed out, the kind of genocidal force that Israel is applying may actually work, in the same way it worked for the USA with their “Indian Question”. Though that ultimately was a prolonged military and economic attack from multiple fronts.
The question is are we still in a world that’ll sit by one nation systematically eradicates an entire people?
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China is around doing this, Russia does the terrorists you support want to.
True. The only difference I guess is west isn’t on such friendly terms with those countries. Whereas we’re actively aiding and a betting Israel’s genocide.
don’t randomly target civilians…
This is just a lie.
living peacefully together with the other people in Israel.
There’s also Israel occupying Palestinian land and actively turning a blind eye to their “settlers” committing violence and murdering Palestinians.
At political terrorism, wich is exactly what i said.
It was religious terrorism.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67424064
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/07/middleeast/un-israel-global-list-children-intl-latam/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006126
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
Doesn’t make it right to target a festival with absolutely peaceful people
I agree. However, Israel’s response has been to use it as an excuse to carry out some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing.
They’ve killed or injured over 100,000 people. They’ve destroyed or damaged almost all of the schools. They’ve cut off water and aid. They’ve destroyed or damaged nearly half the hospitals.
I’m beginning to agree that force is the only way to stop Israeli terrorism. The notion that Israel hasn’t “done anything” to the Palestinians to bring on October 7 is ridiculous.
Palestinians want peace, too. They’re not animals
You might want to look into that “election”.
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Can’t believe we’re living in a timeline where some people unironically support or even related to Hamas.
You guys know you’re allowed to disagree with both IDF and Hamas, right?
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The IDF sets up humanitarian corridors as a PR move, then spoils it by bombing them. Humanitarian corridors are not exclusive to the IDF, as with every other example you started with “no other army”. You also are completely failing to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinians.
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No other army wouldn’t have just levelled a nations cities because there are terrorists in them?
You can disagree with terrorism. while also realising why it arises.
There’s also an Orville episode called “Krill”, same idea.