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- news@beehaw.org
- globalnews@lemmy.zip
Norway, Spain, and Ireland will recognize an independent Palestinian stateas of May 28.
“There cannot be peace in the Middle East if there is no recognition,” Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere said. “By recognizing a Palestinian state, Norway supports the Arab peace plan.”
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Israel is withdrawing their diplomats from Norway. I guess that means random Norwegian civilians are slightly safer today than they were yesterday.
Good riddance and get fucked.
Jesus Christ! I know Israel was bad but I keep hearing more and more fucked up stuff they did
One of the agents involved has since testified that they knew they were killing the wrong man.
Didnt read the whole article as my norwegian is not that good but damn. This makes it even worse and I am not even really surprised they still killed him knowing he was not the man they were looking for. They heard him speaking french whoch their target did not know but they still went ahead with it becuase even if he was not a big fish terrorist he was still a terrorist? What kind of sick fucking mentality is that?
Holy fuck that link. I guess Israel learned that Europeans (generally) won’t bend over backwards for their Apartheid (stares at USS Liberty).
Good positive news. Here in Ireland, support for Palestine has been longstanding and fierce. This formalises the sentiment of Irish people.
I guess the Irish people are not a big fan of oppression.
Oppressed people see themselves in Palestine. Colonisers see themselves in isr*el
Which explains why the English are even running surveillance planes in the area and sending the data to the Israelis.
It doesn’t explain Spain tho 😅
Maybe it’s because they still remember how things were under Fascism in the times of Franco.
Also there is quite the cleavage in Spanish Politics between a Fascists-turned-Democrate mainstream (plus actual Fascists, in the form of the Vox Party) and the old center-left (which like the rest of the mainstream in Europe have been moving ever more rightwards) which is currently in Government, so maybe there is a “Screw you Fascists!” factor that helped convince the party in Government there to do this.
But yeah, I’m in next door Portugal which has a similar history to Spain (though the Portuguese actually rebelled against and overthrew the Fascists - unlike the Spanish - which is probably why the mainstream Right in Portugal are nowhere as Fascist-inspired as in Spain) and the politicians in power seem to have chosen ultimate neutrality on this (well, at least this time around our provincial limp-dick politicians aren’t straight up kissing American and German ass as they usually do) even though the party that recently got power (which is the straighforward Rightwing mainstream one and have a minority Government) earlier in the whole Gaza thing was quite pro-Israel, but seemed to have switched to a “we would rather not talk about it” posture since the coverage in the mainstream news here doesn’t seem to try to hide anything when it comes to what’s going on in Gaza (with things like showing lines of corpses after an Israeli bombing including clearly child-shapped ones and being pretty open about Israel killing journalists and medical personnel) and in a country were culturally people value empathy a lot, continue to side with Israel as people keep hearing about and at times seeing murdered chilren, journalists and medical personnel on TV would be a very bad strategy for a minority Government - even the local Far Right avoids mentioning that specific subject.
That’s a big move for Spain, they usually don’t recognize splinter states because of their issues with Catalunya
Is Palestine a splinter state though?
I mean, if you want we can argue semantics, but I think you get my point
Actually this isn’t a semantic argument.
As far as Spain is concerned there are factual de jure differences.Despite a higher degree of autonomy, Catalonia has been part of Spain for a while now.
It seems they even accepted the Spanish constitution:After Franco’s death in 1975, Catalonia voted for the adoption of a democratic Spanish Constitution in 1978
Palestine (neither West Bank nor Gaza) on the other hand has never been part of Israel.
Functionally, probably? Given most states are sovereign instead of being divided up into zones by security checkpoints managed by a foreign power and which requires citizenship in said foreign power to cross. Between how much influence Isreal has in the government of the West Bank archipelago and the requirement that Palestinians possess a lower tier of Israeli citizenship in order to move from town to town, I don’t think a strong case can be made that the Isrealis have allowed the Palestinians have sovereignty over their own territory.
As such the Palestinian people of the West Bank have been and unfortunately practically remain part of the Israeli state, albeit a horribly discriminated and abused part of it with very good reason to splinter off into their own state. If Isreal had actually followed the UN mandate in the first place there might be a stronger argument that the West Bank and Gaza have always had a sovereign Palestinian government, but they functionally annexed them instead, and as such the West Bank and Gaza are now hopefully splintering off from the government they have been largely barred from participating in on racial grounds.
Is Palestine a splinter state though?
Technically yes because formally there are two autonomous regions (Gaza and West Bank) on Israeli soil.
Has Israel actually claimed the West Bank and Gaza as its territory? I thought the Israelis were content to be conquerors and occupiers. Claiming the land would mean either expelling the Palestinians (not politically expedient even for Netanyahu – yet – which is why he’s settled for simply killing them all instead) or granting them citizenship and the right to participate in Israel’s government (a nonstarter for any Israeli government since Rabin).
They never acknowledged any borders partitioning Palestine and Israel, so technically they claimed it with agreeing to various peace agreements like not settling in Gaza strip.
Edit: And they vehemently oppose Palestinian statehood. They had the US veto a UN vote on that a decade or so ago.
Based.
Welcome to the club!
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Here’s the Taoiseach (PM) making the announcement. Sound quality is awful unfortunately but it is a good speech, well delivered.
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Recognition of Palestinian state ‘reward for terror,’ says Netanyahu
“Establishment of Israel reward for terror!” would be a more accurate headline. You are not aware of the fact that a lot of Israel’s most respected politicians have been involved in acts of terror against the British and the Palestinians in the years before 1948? Take a history lesson!
The president is a strong supporter of a two-state solution and has been throughout his career
If Biden had ever been a strong supporter of a two state solution, he had put some pressure on Israel a long time ago and that Palestinian state would be in existence for decades now. Biden is a strong supporter of Israel and nobody else! Hypocrites, I hate them!
a Palestinian state should be realized through direct negotiations between the parties, not through unilateral recognition.
Do you know what doesn’t require direct negotiations between the two parties? And what in some cases is happily accepted unilaterally, but if it is too criminal, is simply tolerated for decades?
- The unilateral establishment of the State of Israel by the Zionists.
- The ethnic cleansing and dispossession of 75% of the Palestinian population by Israel
- The incorporation of 90% of the original Mandate territory (instead of 55%) by Israel
- The annexation of all of Jerusalem by Israel
- Making Jerusalem the capital of Israel by Israel
- The establishment of an apartheid system by Israel
- The complete destruction and ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip by Israel
Germany: Recognition of a Palestinian state only in the course of successful peace negotiations
Israel has been thwarting negotiations on a Palestinian state for decades. It has even supported Hamas for this very purpose! Israel says loud and clear that it does not want a two-state solution but full control over Greater Israel, without Palestinians or with limited rights for Palestinians.
Israel’s Western allies know this very well and lie without blushing. And without wasting a single thought on how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians died and got injured for this policy, were expelled, dispossessed, terrorized and humiliated by the occupying power.
Yes, the Palestinian narrative is dangerous because it is far more compatible with common sense than the Israeli one. It is also more compatible with historical facts and international law. But who cares about facts?
For those who do, I recommend the following list of outstanding Israeli and Jewish historians, journalists, lawyers, human rights activists and organizations:
Gideon Levy, Breaking the Silence, Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, Avi Shlaim, Max Blumenthal, Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), Simone Zimmerman, Jewish Currents, Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Jews for Justice for Palestinians (JJP), IfNotNow, Naomi Klein, Judith Butler, Never Again Action, Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), Neve Gordon, Hiam Bresheeth, Miko Peled, Zach Foster, Andrew Feinstein, Haim Zabner, Miko Peled, Omer Bartov, B’tselem, Rick Perlstein
Each of these names is worth Googling, reading and listening to.
