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“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. Jay Morris, R-West Monroe, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments’ "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
Only two of them are actually law: Thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal.
This is all about religion, and they’re going to get away with it. We’d be better off if our legal codes were based on the seven tenets instead.
Not even two, maybe one and a half as it depends a lot on who you are and whom you’re stealing from. And you can even argue on murder too
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/
If I linked 1/3rd of the list of times the Bible condones murder it would be removed as spam.
Hail Satan! or not… I’m not your boss, do whatever
Hail Satan, and hail yourself!
America! Land of the free*!
*: Unless you meant freedom of religion. You better not! We’ll sue/burn/shoot/jesus you if you do! Ultraconservative Christianity or death!
*unless you also meant freedom of expression or freedom of bodily autonomy
Wait, what’s getting jesus’d…?
Oh, I did not think of the implications of making that a verb.
Flip it around on them, and say that if the Ten Commandments are so important, why they support Trump, who regularly breaks them.
Because the Lord works in mysterious ways, or some other dumb shit excuse.
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we make exceptions for even the murdering and stealing.
All the time, and especially for cops. (It’s called ‘qualified immunity’ and ‘civil forfeiture’ instead of murdering and stealing, but it’s the same thing.)
Religious people just love indoctrinating children. It’s their whole thing. Get them while they’re young and dumb and won’t realize it’s all just make believe bullshit.
It makes me so angry because children are vulnerable and trusting; exploiting that to get them to believe in nonsense is evil.
Shitty people love indoctrinating children.
Religion, much like many idealogical groups, gives an easy place for assholes to find confirmation of their own shit ideas, and a shield of “righteousness” and “I’m doing it for their own good” to hide behind lest the dying gasps of their withered conscience interrupt them.
There’s plenty of secular belief systems along these lines as well. Many racist groups like skinheads, neonazis, and the KKK spread through indoctrination of children (parents passing beliefs to children) and appeals to young people as “the solution” for the confusion and isolation they feel growing up.
I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.
No if ands or buts, whoever was involved in this clown show of a law deserves to be instantly stripped of any governmental or education system titles or powers and banned from holding any position of power for life.
Any religion, belief system, or idealogical concept worth anything should be capable of standing up on it’s own.
I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.
Not to start an argument, but I just can’t understand how you think it’s a fit guide for secular life. Half of the commandments are explicitly religious, and the other half are basic common sense laws that are already encompassed by the Golden Rule that many cultures and religions came up with independently (including the Abrahamic ones elsewhere in their religious texts).
But, to go into more detail (and using the full text, not the abbreviated versions that make it look kinder):
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.
Standard monotheism, nothing to say here. It’d be weird if it weren’t here, and it’s better than most declarations in that it only applies to that religion’s adherents and doesn’t explicitly deny the existence of other gods (a note: IIRC the golden calf was created through a miracle and nobody acted as though that was weird, but I’d like if someone more scholarly could chime in).
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Funny how the first set of tablets was destroyed when Moses discovered his people losing faith and worshipping an idol, and the replacements he made contained a law specifically against that very uncommon occurrence. Surely that law was in the original tablets as well and not just added as a reaction to those events…
As for the second half, I don’t know how anyone could read this, considered the most literal word of god in their religion, and say it’s a good basis for morality. Punishing innocent children for their ancestors’ actions or beliefs is straight up evil.
It also explicitly states that his love is conditional, something that strongly conflicts with the main modern offshoots of the religion.
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Weird how the only commandments specifying something is unforgivable are for things that bruise their deity’s ego, but then again the OT god was an incredibly petty tyrant.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
I’ve never really looked into the Sabbath so I’m not going to touch this one. I am mildly annoyed that the justification for their rest day is yet another ego-stroking thing instead of something for the benefit of the people. Imagine how much better things might be if several large religions stressed the importance of breaks for reasons of physical and mental health.
Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Anyone who had abusive, neglectful, or narcissistic parents could tell you the problem with this one, but I can’t fault an insular, patriarchal religion from several millennia ago for trying to keep families together during an especially trying period when thoughts of desertion must have been common.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
These are the only ones I have zero problem with. They are also exactly what you’d expect someone to set as law when leading a bunch of people, especially if problems are starting to crop up due to low morale.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Note that all examples here were considered property (morality rules get a pass for things like slavery and owning your wife if they’re old enough) so this is technically a repeat of the law against stealing. Or, since it states that coveting is forbidden, it would cover stealing and be an example of thoughtcrime.
But when I try to indoctrinate children I just get burned at the stake
The Satanic Temple has entered the chat
Conferencing in the ACLU
Did I misunderstand what “separation of church and state” meant?
Depends. Are you a Louisiana Republican legislator?
Based on this ruling, I don’t think I’m qualified.
Laws are only useful if successfully upheld in court. For some reason these never get challenged enough. Strange.
violating the constitution by establishment of a religion
Louisiana is a real conservative religious armpit.
States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.
Edit: Forgot that federal government can indoctrinate religion just fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
States can establish religions. Federal government can’t.
Over the last 150 years, the Supreme Court has pretty consistently found that the Bill of Rights applies to state as well as federal government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights
See especially https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education:
Everson v. Board of Education … was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.
Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes disagrees that religion cannot be established.
The pledge isn’t mandatory. By law, it has to be optional. Schools have gotten in trouble over it.
Don’t bother. Every time you point out they say something that isn’t true, they change the subject.
There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of “trouble” doesn’t disprove any of this.
- “As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges
Also, the US print religious indoctrination on their currency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust
I’m not arguing for religion to be in school. I’m just saying what’s there is already bad enough without making stuff up.
Its also said “with liberty and justice for all” during a time where people kept literal slaves, without a hint of irony.
The wording far too inconsistent and vague to be taken as literally as you’re attempting to take them.
That’s not how it works. State law can’t supersede federal law.
State law can’t supersede federal law.
And Congress cannot pass laws on that. Constitution says so.
That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.
That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent.
Mandatory “one nation under god” pledge in school classes proves that establishing religion in the US is fine.
Those are literally not mandatory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
Those are literally not mandatory.
Except when they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges
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“the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don’t believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message”
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“As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.”
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Not if the 14th amendment has anything to say about it. The incorporation doctrine of the 14th amendment applies the first 10 amendments to the state level as well.
Wtf is going on with you on the other side of the pond there?
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No problem! We’ve got options!
-Fontsize = 3
-Hang them with text against wall
-Hang them on the ceiling
-Type them in Chinese/foreign language/braille
-Bright yellow text on white paper
-Printed with bad cartridge
-Font: wingdings
Few years ago Texas required ‘In God we Trust’ signs to be displayed in classrooms. Schools weren’t allowed to pay for them, so basically donated. They conveniently rejected the signs that had a rainbow on it, or the one written in Arabic.
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/31/1120239381/texas-in-god-we-trust-arabic-signs-chaz-stevens
Get the commandments from the wicked bible
Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his great-asse
Put it in the orgional Hebrew.
Write the 10 commandments on a doll and hang it in the classroom 1800s style
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Arabic
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Welp…I was gonna visit NOLA one more time before moving from Texas to Oregon this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all. But, as a public school teacher, I have to say this is completely and utterly monkeyfucked, and Louisiana isn’t getting a thin-ass dime from me.
Samesies. I was going to stop in NOLA one last time and enjoy myself there while moving from Texas to Rhode Island this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all.
Only I’m not a teacher. Good luck with your move! And working in a much better public education system. What Abbott has been doing to our schools is insane.
Hi neighbor!
Native RIer living in Mass now.
You’ll find we are much more tolerant up here. We accept everybody. We hate them but we accept them. Like an asshole best-friend.
‘course, supporting cool stuff in new orleans is about the best way to flip the bird at baton rouge.
I spend money in New Orleans, sales tax is collected, which is appropriated in Baton Rouge. That will not be happening.
Post them in Hebrew, to be historically accurate.
At least six of those go against the core tenets of MAGA
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Nah, they’ll just think Christians good, Muslim bad
The woman who pushed for this said she didn’t care about Atheists or Muslims.
sherman we need you now more than ever.
i fucking hate the south
To be fair Louisiana can’t do much more than alternate between crying and sticking its head in the sand. Unfortunately it is the state where a whole lot of oil refineries and disgusting chemical plants have set up shop and that has just locked the state into a death spiral politically. Louisiana is absolutely FUCKED though from climate change and I think you have to see the batshit crazy behavior of people there from that context. Climate Change is going to demolish the lives of people who live in Louisiana (actually by the numbers it is going to somehow be FAR worse than Florida) and no matter how much denial you are in about Climate Change the fear will keep seeping into these people’s psyches no matter what, like rising flood waters slipping between the cracks of buildings…
It is useless to try to understand why the ideological contagions of religious fundamentalism and conservatism are so widespread in Louisiana outside the context of the state being a trashcan for the entire US oil and chemical industrial complex. This kind of suffering, ideological dissonance with basic aspects of reality and obsession with issues that are massive distractions from unfolding mass scale health catastrophes (like healthcare being an utterly failed system in the US or rent being completely unaffordable) are a fundamental requirement for petroleum and chemical companies to maintain their incredibly destructive existence, otherwise they would be shut down almost immediately by angry masses of citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_in_the_United_States
Let’s see if the don’t kill command deters school shootings.
On the one hand, you have the anti-science, anti-reason, bible-thumping retrograde assholes.
On the other, you can bet that these same bible-thumping assholes break many of the very same ten commandments on a regular basis.
Finally, they could have posted something from the Gospels, from the lips of Jesus himself such as “love thy neighbor” and “turn the other cheek”, but noooo…
