Seconds later, a shout rang out: “He’s got a gun!”
Yeah, I don’t think I’m gonna defend the guy who got shot here. According to the article he was a real piece of work, and it seems like he was a credible threat to the life of the officer he put in the headlock.
I don’t think the officers did anything wrong in this one. Broken clock twice a day and all that.
I agree. Although it is pretty interesting how quickly they were able to release the bodycam footage.
Funny how it’s out the next day when it exonerates the cop of any wrongdoing. That’s why I assume the worst when they don’t release immediately. Oversight is good for everyone, including police.
Yup. Someone should tell DeSantis.
Well yeah, they didn’t have to go to the writers room to come up with a narrative, or dig through his rap sheet to see if he ever looked at a marijuana.
It’s just digital files, any police department can release body cam footage quickly. They just don’t want to.
I think that was the point he was trying to make
When cops shot a hostage in California it took them 2 years to release it. I think that was their point, footage is released quickly when the cops are in the right, it suddenly becomes a problem if it makes them look bad.
I just assume malicious intent in those cases. Not sure I’ve ever been wrong.
Yep that’s what they were saying
Cant they use their tazer?
Genuine question, how accurate are Tazers? If the partner was in a headlock, was there any risk of tazering the wrong person while the gum was more accurate?
The real problem here is that Americans just keep arming everyone, so then you have crazies with the guns.
Genuine question, how accurate are Tazers? If the partner was in a headlock, was there any risk of tazering the wrong person while the gum was more accurate?
Speaking independently of the story- Not very by comparison to firearms. Something like 50% less accurate. There’s also the issue that tasers will not always incapacitate someone. That’s a gamble if someone has a weapon and the range to use it.
Part of the rationale in using a firearm is the need to body someone before they can use a weapon where non lethal methods are just not as effective.
Of course, when you investigate yourself you will always find that you used your firearm in the appropriate situational context.
As an outsider, the whole thing seems insane.
A gun isn’t that precise either I guess. So when you are under stress of getting shot you’d pick the gun option instead of a less lethal one because you feel threatened. Who wouldn’t. Guessing wildly here, and as usual everyone having guns isn’t like makeing the place more safe.
as usual everyone having guns isn’t like makeing the place more safe.
If anything it’s more like injecting an unknown number of dangerous wildcards into an already dangerous situation.
you have crazies with the guns.
Thafuq do you think the cops are‽
You make it sound like I don’t put American cops in the same group as Americans.
The cops are armed because everyone else is armed. Demilitarisation of the police force can only come in when you can have a sensible conversation about your gun ownership.
It’s not like owning guns actually protects you from bad cops.
I prefer to assume any argument is made in good faith until proven otherwise, so please understand that the following criticisms are contextual and not, of course, personal.
The cops are armed because everyone else is armed
Bullshit. That implies that vast majority of interactions cops have with “everyone” else (ignoring the obvious hyperbole) while on the clock are with other armed people, which is not only patently false but dangerously presumptive in a grossly negligent way. In fact, the statement is so irrational that any statistic even comparing fatality rates between armed & unarmed individuals by cops would entirely debunk it; cops are not armed “because” others are, they’re armed first and foremost — and have been, since the very concept of a “police force” was first invented, FFS.
Demilitarisation of the police force can only come in…
Considering your failure to grasp the predicating concept, I’m hesitant to trust that you got the key in hand here.
…a sensible conversation about your gun ownership.
Again, this doesn’t seem to be in your wheelhouse at the moment.
It’s not like owning guns actually protects you from bad cops.
Logical fallacy and bait, not to mention an oversimplification of the actual issues at play.
So, do you want to have an adult conversation or just bark across the pond (where we’ll be touching on various police issues y’all have on your island yonder, to be sure), hmm?
Who gives a fuck
Some people don’t like to kill other people. Weird, huh?!?!
Yep
Whether or not he had a gun, you put an officer in a headlock and things will escalate.
What, so the police can put anyone they want in a headlock but we can’t headlock back? /s
Seriously though, if it’s so threatening to get a cop in a headlock, enough that another cop feels they need to use deadly force to stop it, why are cops allowed to continue restraining someone who fights back against a headlock during an arrest?
Because when a cop is arresting someone, it’s not a mutual agreement to be in a fight. It’s not a friendly spar or anything like that
“You are under arrest, sir!”
“I disagree, sir!”
“Marquess of Queensbury rules then?”
“Agreed!”
In this particular situation, the use of deadly force was more so triggered by the fact that the guy was lying about having a weapon and then tries to pull said weapon during a search of his person. The headlock was not the key factor here.
people are always wrong and cops are always right, duh.
This isn’t even news. “Some dude was arrested” isn’t anything people need to read. It happens all the time. Things like this just make people think the world is a dangerous place.
While you were reading this comment, some dude was arrested. Do you really care about the specifics?
Copaganda. Also the only time I’ve seen a working bodycam.
Who TF down voted you? That’s absolutely 100% accurate
Because dude pulled the I don’t have a weapon what’s this my gun and then headlock. That’s an unusual story. I’m anti-cop, but this was new and interesting to me.
The world is a dangerous place though; there’s all these armed psychos driving around, shooting and beating people!
Sure, sometimes they arrest someone who deserves it, but that doesn’t make me exactly feel safe knowing they’re out there…
It isn’t dangerous. The world is much safer than it was even 20 years ago. You are much more likely to be attacked by someone you know than “armed psychos” that you don’t know.
Look at any crime statistics; they all say the same. Or if you don’t like statistics, just watch Dateline or 20/20. It’s usually the boyfriend/girlfriend.
The armed psychos they were talking about aren’t counted in the crime statistics, because they never get convicted of crimes. They just get put on administrative leave for a while, and then get brought back when the heat is off. Worst case scenario, they get fired, and move to another town to be an armed psycho there. And that only happens if the armed psycho union doesn’t scream bloody murder about it.
Deadliest noogie ever.
