I post quite a bit here but it feels so damn quiet. Why?
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What do you want? Do you want to see more posts/comments?
Beehaw is, specifically, curated for those who want high quality rather than a dumpster fire of trolls and assholes.
So, quality vs quantity.
You guys are defederated from the two most active instances i see on my ‘all’ feed, lemmy.world and hexbear.net, and also a bunch of minor instances that still pop up pretty often like sh.itjust.works, lemmygrad.ml and lemmit.online.
Y’all live in a tiny bubble inside the already relatively small bubble that is lemmy.
Is Lemmy.ml any good? I made an alt there a while ago but don’t use it much
It’s only an option if you’re OK with the admins being as transparent as a chunk of charcoal, and enforcing a hidden rule that boils down to “don’t disagree with us or our political views.”
They’re specially prone to distort what you say in order to fit the rules that they actually list in their instance.
Source: former lemmy ml user for 3 years, that used to moderate comms there. I got the fuck out after the notoriously poor way that they handled ani.social.
Nice description
Thanks. [Frankly, I had to re-re-reedit this a lot. Otherwise the tone would definitively not fit Beehaw.]
the notoriously poor way that they handled ani.social.
What had happened?
Sorry beforehand for the long reply.
Initially, one of .ml’s admins (who’s also a Lemmy developer) manually excluded ani.social from the list of instances in the join-lemmy site, and defederated it from .ml. When requested to revert the change, he falsely claimed that the instance is “full of CSAM”. Eventually, the other .ml admin + Lemmy dev reviewed the “evidence” brought by the first one, concluded “there’s no CSAM” here, and reverted that change.
They kept ani.social defederated, but that’s fine - .ml is strictly SFW, there’s some NSFW content in ani.social, so it’s consistent.
Some time goes by, and a user creates a thread about “Mahou Shoujo something” in the !anime .ml community. I don’t like that series; but more importantly it is NSFW, so the discussion was removed by a third .ml admin (not a dev).
Then we (a few users, incl. me) started discussing the eventual migration of the comm to ani.social. Because we knew that issues like this would keep happening, it was the best for both sides. With those first and third admins finding low-hanging fruits to wreck the discussion across multiple threads, such as “it lists to a pedo instance” or “doxxing” people. Claims that are blatantly knowingly false, because:
- ani.social was linked in the sidebar of !anime@lemmy ml for ages, and the local admins never bothered with it. But “suddenly” it becomes an issue, concomitantly with people discussing the migration of a comm to another instance?
- one of the people discussing the migration brought the contradiction above to the admins’ attention. And yet the link stayed there, even if the admins were in a position to change it. Showing that no, linking ani.social was not the real issue that prompted the removal of the discussion, but the discussion about emigrating from that instance.
- In no moment, the people talking about the admin actions referred to personally identifiable information, like “you’re John Smith”; we solely associated the administrative actions with the usernames. And that was done in a neutral tone, with zero harassment from my knowledge. (Relevant tidbit: both admins clearly use pseudonyms.)
- To add injury, the third admin in question was grasping at straws to defend the necessity of an anime community in an instance about open source and privacy, in a way not too unlike spez’ “I’m one of you! We snoos stand together!” babble.
From public PoV, the matter ends here: you have the .ml admin team enforcing hidden rules and taking users as cattle to be herded. From my PoV, it gets worse.
I used to moderate a large-ish comm there, called !snoocalypse, about Reddit’s downfall. In that comm, users (including me, the mod) were consistently saying stuff like “Steve Huffman the greedy pigboy”. And in no moment the .ml admins took action against it, or even contacted me to say “hey mod, don’t let your users do that”.
So, naming someone by their RL name to call him a “greedy pigboy” is not doxxing. But stating which admin took which action by their username, in a neutral way, is suddenly doxxing??? And there’s no way that the admins never saw it, because they were often removing content there.
Of course, the content that they were removing was from another nature: posts criticising either the Russian Federation or the People’s Republic of China, typically under the allegations that violated rules #1 and #2 (basically: bigotry and making people feel unwelcome, or something like this).
Don’t get me wrong, my issue is not that they were removing that criticism. I probably wouldn’t bat an eye if they had some written rule like “don’t criticise the RF or the PRC here”; I do criticise both but I’d see it within their rights. My issue here is to distort what others users say to fit the rules being listed, in order to enforce some rule not being listed, that is literally Reddit admins tier behaviour.
It’s OK but really has a lot of rage bait and ban happy mods.
No, stay away unless you subscribe to Marxist-Leninist ideology. Alternative viewpoints (so the vast majority of people) will be strongly criticized at best and banned at worst.
They’re not even really Marxists/communists, it’s a facade for propaganda.
If you are a member of the Iranian military who has been tasked with pretending to be a trans-communist in effort to convert lgbt kids into the Islamic extremist fold, .ml is the place for you.
If you aren’t that, it’s probably unsafe.
You could consider Reddthat.com if you want down votes disabled like on Beehaw
It performs well and is connected with all of the instances with the most active users. migrating is pretty annoying on lemmy tho but was worth it for me.
performs well
It really does!
If you’re trying to spread propaganda and silence people you don’t want having a voice.
I cant say it’s “good” but it’s not bad. It’s got some interesting discussion and the people are generally friendly. They have strong moderation so there is no hate speech or bigotry.
Better than full of bad/racist/low quality stuff
Yea
I’ve been commenting less because it feels like the amount of vitriol is going up. Why stress myself with people’s responses when no one really cares what I have to say
This is why I skip so many threads. Mostly, I just wanna talk about aquariums, gardening and bikes/ebikes.
As soon as people bring up ________ and __________, I’m out.
terrariums and motorcycles. the worst
There’s always someone who’s looking to interpret what you say as badly as possible so they can feel good about confronting you about it. I’m not being like “oh people these days are too sensitive”, just… some people take everything way too seriously and are looking for things to be upset over and I hate when that’s me. Really pokes my anxiety tbh. I want to stress it’s not like I’m out here making shitty edgy jokes and then getting upset when no one likes them, it’s just day to day comments. I dunno. I overthink a lot about whether I’m the problem, had an extremely negative self image for a long time where I blamed myself for every negative interaction I had and it’s hard to let that go.
Like, just happened
https://lemmy.world/comment/9888819
And like there’s genuinely good positive replies and interactions, but they don’t stick with me like the negative ones do.
I’m mentally fragile I guess, I just honestly do my best to be an understanding and accepting and positive person and it hurts to have somebody think the opposite, even though their opinion has absolutely no bearing on my life. I dunno, it’s… I guess it’s because I’m trying to be perfectly pleasing people generally and when I fall short of that impossible standard it hurts. I’m massively overthinking this, I know. Just something that’s been weighing on my mind.
Just FYI that Beehaw defederated with Lemmy.world, so our experience is a bit different; being defederated from the biggest instance means we avoid most low-effort posting and vitriol, but it also means we miss most (?) of the content on Lemmy.
I’m not entirely sure how it works; I don’t know if I can see if someone from Lemmy.world replies to my comments in other communities. I don’t think so, since I can’t remember ever seeing a Lemmy.world commenter, but I’m not totally clear on how defederation works. I think we just don’t see those users at all, including posts/comments they make to other instances?
I’m not entirely sure how it works; I don’t know if I can see if someone from Lemmy.world replies to my comments in other communities. I don’t think so, since I can’t remember ever seeing a Lemmy.world commenter, but I’m not totally clear on how defederation works. I think we just don’t see those users at all, including posts/comments they make to other instances?
Correct
A lot of the people online who are doing that don’t actually believe you’re doing anything wrong. They’re not interested in whether or not you’re doing anything wrong, they’re interested in attacking anyone they can and feeding on people’s responses.
Nothing you could ever say would get them to stop. There is no right answer and they don’t want there to be. Literally the only thing to do other than argue endlessly is disengage.
Hmm, can’t even see the comments. I get you though, I remember hurtful comments from way back. They do kinda stick with ya. People are a lot more confrontational on the internet than they are irl.
Yeah, theres a lot of propaganda and people fighting about it.
I feel the opposite.
Now I have feeds from Malasia to SGerman speaking Swiss, and watched highlights of the Sydney Swans beating the Giants in Australia Rules Football and although I have no personal experience in Malay or Swiss worldviews, and have absolutely no clue on what is happening in the Aussie match, I really enjoyed seeing them as opposed to the procured algorithm commercials that the resto of social media presents today.
Beehaw, perhaps.
I don’t find the larger fediverse quiet at all. I think a lot for smaller communities have died. Following the mass migration, but that’s not a bad thing either.
I follow a lot of shitpost communities, though. Not sure what you’re interested in
It doesn’t. Maybe you miss all the bots and trolls.
Sub more munis, cousin.
Probably because it is, and then add in federation issues (at least that’s been my experience with Kbin). That and if I post about something niche people may have no reason to actually respond.
It’s definitely quiet around here. But you know, reddit or any other social media wasn’t built in a day, so Lemmy/Beehaw won’t either!
Thanks for posting so much though. You’re not the first person I’ve seen make comments about the seeming lack of activity, but you at least try to change that!
Yea, I’ve been wondering cos it feels like I’m half the activity here,
It’s kinda the nature of the platform I feel like. The Fediverse is a bit confusing of a concept so it’s less mainstream. On top of that, the content can be fragmented across different instances that might defederate with each other. Things could pick up in the future though, especially if people keep using the platform.
Idk lots of people are posting in the tech community and people are sharing news stories but none of that interests me very much so yeah it seems quiet to me too
Yea. Its all just uspol lol
While it might not explain everything, you can take a look at some stats here: https://fedidb.org/
Lemmy’s interop with the microblogging portion of the Fediverse (which is by far the largest part) sucks. You can’t follow users, so there’s no way to pull in content from there and there’s no hashtag support built in for posts, so Lemmy posts don’t get to take advantage of the discoverability features on the microblogging side. Beehaw in particular is picky with whom they federate, but it shouldn’t matter since there’s plenty of microblogging instances that share their ethos. I was already a Mastodon user for a few years prior to any of the exoduses and it bummed me out that you guys didn’t get to experience Fedi in its full glory because of these limitations. Hopefully the next platform that Beehaw migrates to will be better about this.
I have a Sharkey acc :3
That’s why I know fedi is biiig
