cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/15001340
“Such an invasion could lead to horrific massacres and raise scenarios of a second Nakba,” the Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights said recently. “After 200 days of horrific genocidal acts in Gaza, the real objectives of the attack are the continuation of the 76-year-long ongoing Nakba and the erasure and genocidal destruction of the Palestinian people in Gaza. Israel is laying the groundwork to fulfill its settler-colonial plan of colonizing Gaza.”
Human rights defenders have warned that Israel may ultimately seek to ethnically cleanse as many Palestinians as possible from Gaza.
Israel would "move people out of Rafah, the main humanitarian hub in the enclave, to al-Mawasi
Yeah, that’s not their plan. There’s 1.42 million people in Rafah right now, which is 25 square miles. That gives it a population density of 56,800 per square mile, making it the 25th most densely populated city in the world - and with intact infrastructure enough for only a tiny fraction of that number.
So, Israel supposedly wants to move all these people to al-Mawasi. Now, al-Mawasi is barren, with; the last official count I could find said there were about 1500 people living there in a small Bedouin town. It’s also only about six square miles total.
Let’s say that Hamas is 10% of the population - I don’t think it is, but let’s use that number. That means there’s 1,278,000 innocent civilians they want to move to al-Mawasi. That would mean a population density of 213,000 per square mile. That would be twice the population density of Manila. And there is no infrastructure. They’re just taking a million people and throwing them into a barren desert next to the sea and saying, “Not our problem.” There’s no food, no water, no toilets, no shelter, no medical facilities, no electricity, no shelter from the heat - and no way to quickly make any of these things appear in enough quantity to matter.
The Palestinians are already on the verge of famine. This will make things worse, and disease is absolutely going to decimate the population. And then they’ll decide that al-Mawasi is hiding Hamas, and they’ll go after that as well.
Fuck Israel.
Let’s say that Hamas is 10% of the population - I don’t think it is, but let’s use that number.
The Palestinians are already on the verge of famine. This will make things worse, and disease is absolutely going to decimate the population.
Decimation was the Roman practice of killing 1 out of every 10 mutinous/deserter (i.e., guilty of something) soldiers to punish an entire legion while still keeping it operational as a combat unit. Here we have the opposite. It is killing 9 innocents to get to also kill 1 additional (very hypothetically) guilty person.
This is the saddest “um ackchyually” I have ever written.
Shrewd analysis - thanks for sharing!
The Palestinians are already on the verge of famine.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/middleeast/gaza-famine-world-food-programme-intl-hnk/index.html
Northern Gaza is experiencing a “full-blown famine” which is rapidly spreading across the strip…the World Food Programme warned
Gaza is not that big. The situation is already horrific and it’s about to get so much worse.
It’s going to be a lot worse than mere “decimation”.
Thank you for your research.
I Just wanted to add that Northern Gaza, where the IDF physically controls all entrances, is officially in famine. Southern Gaza is fed by the entrance in Rafah.
The motive for taking Rafah could not be more clear. They intend to destroy the international aid supply line for southern Gaza. Moving so many people to a purposefully mismanaged IDP camp is just the cherry on top.
“Go to Rafah and you’ll be safe. Also, fuck you and get out of Rafah or we’ll kill you.”
You just summarized zionism (fascism)
Common Dreams can be a little much some times. Here’s Politico’s take which is a bit more dry.
Some important notes though. Aid groups absolutely dispute that there’s an ability to fit everyone in the designated area; feed the people that can fit; and that Israel will allow everyone who wants to evacuate to do so in good faith.
So there are very good objections to this plan. If the IDF let people pass without mass arrests or randomly deciding to shoot at the people crossing their lines then that would be good. But it has not been the norm. Which brings us to the next problem. The IDF has behaved so criminally, the people of Gaza do not trust their announcements of where to go for safety.
At this point the only correct answer is an immediate ceasefire. The removal of all IDF troops from Gaza. And an international war crimes tribunal.
Only correct answer is an multi-national subjugation force to kill the IDF forces in Gaza, then push into Israel and take the current government into custody to be put on Nuremberg-style trials while setting up an interim government in Israel.
Yeah, I’m not a fan of Netanyahu’s war crimes, but that’s something that’s never going to happen. Far more likely is evidence continues to go to the ICC and arrest warrants rain from the skies. Then there’s a bunch of conservative Israelis who are stuck in Israel or Russia/China aligned countries. And they have to live with the knowledge that they are the new low hanging political piñata for every American president who needs a polling bump.
yeah, the ICC doing anything/being able to hold anyone accountable is just as likely as a multinational subjugation force.
The ICC has actually managed it before though.
against people where the biggest western powers are bending over backwards to do everything to protect them?
and actually had proper, punishing sentences?
Oh no there are definitely novel parts to this. That’s what makes it so interesting. And it’s still way more likely than a multi national coalition going there without the UN.
If there is some sort of cease fire, the UN needs to bring in a Cyprus style peace keeping force to physically stand between Israel and Palestine for a generation (or probably more).
Anything less will just lead to the same repeated outbursts of violence that we’ve seen for the past 70 years.
Not familiar with crypus peacekeeping. Got any info to share?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Peacekeeping_Force_in_Cyprus
As I said, it’s not a quick fix, but is has managed to keep the Greeks and Turks from killing each other there since the 1960s.
No cause exists that can justify ejecting people in mass from there homes.
I agree. Nobody should be getting forced to go anywhere. In a “normal” war humanitarian routes would be established along with Internally Displaced People camps run to the UN standards. Those routes would be inviolate except for checkpoints to search people, and every stray round impacting near them would result in a full investigation. Aid would be flooding these camps and the entire zone behind the front lines. People would be encouraged but not required to leave within a distinct timeline.
The IDF has not done that. They’ve basically done the opposite of that. They want to force people to leave the area with the aid, into a camp that mathematically cannot meet UN standards. They’ve already said they’re going to detain all men attempting to leave the area. And they routinely fire into their own humanitarian corridors. This entire operation is a war crime from the top down to the sergeants.
How trustable is this source? Just curious because never knew about the site.
EDIT: you can downvote, that’s okay. But I would appreciate an actual answer as well.
It’s a super partisan one. I don’t know if they lie, but they definitely spin.
They lean left. But everything presented as factis accurate.
I would also like to know
Both of you are welcome to check here …
Thanks did not know that exist.
Be aware it’s one dude’s opinion and not based on anything measurable. It’s just as biased as any of the media it attempts to review.
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Lmao trash site. Like a “malware detector” that’s just malware. That and ngo-monitor.org.
I don’t doubt for one second that Israel is likely planning something like this. But let’s be careful about using sources that are just as biased as the ones that the other side uses.
If you’re reporting on news from some far-left website while at the same time decrying right-wing bias like Fox News and it’s ilk, then you lose the moral high ground.
There’s plenty of regular journalism that documents Israel’s bullshit without having to resort to non-credible sources. Stick to that or there’s no point in fighting because we’ve already lost.
You might not agree with their left wing bias but you can’t realistically argue that Common Dreams is not a credible source.
If they really do that the irony of Jews doing ethnic cleansing would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Please don’t call Israel “the Jews.” I am a Jew and I do not stand with Israel. Israel wants you to think all Jews are Israelis and all Israelis are Jews.
Just to add to this; half of the global Jewish population lives in the US. We’re not all Israeli.
Yep, I’ve never even been to Israel. I don’t particularly want to go other than seeing the archaeology. I was born in Indiana. I have far more in common with Christians from Indiana than I do a Jew from Haifa.
The fun thing with the people downvoting my above comment is that it’s hard to know if they’re pissed off because I don’t support Israel or don’t like that I’m a Jew.
I am not a Jew, but I have to recognize that many of the people most fiercely standing up against Israeli human rights violations are Jews.
In the USA, Bernie Sanders, Robbert Reich and Chuck Schumer are three Jewish politicians that have been very consistent in their messaging.
I’d argue they’re notable because they’re Jewish, and are afforded an odd ‘extra legitimacy’ to criticize Israel because of that - until the ‘self hating Jew’ trope is brought out…
I am constantly disappointed that society as a whole cannot see through the obvious ploys by the hyper-partisans to hijack and disrupt honest discussion by treating all criticism as anti-Semitic
So 3 out of 341,352,598 Americans then, according to you. And you feel that’s a fair representation.
Seems to me you forgot to put on your critical thinking cap today.
If you can’t tell the difference between a limited number of well known examples and a statistical percentage, then perhaps you shouldn’t lecture others on thinking.
If you had provided an analytical statistical source instead of “three well-known individuals” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Really? Fighting just to fight? Be better, you knew that that was only supposed to be an example of well known Jewish people standing up against Israel, not a comprehensive breakdown of the whole population.
I’ll be your fucking huckleberry though, I can fight about stupid shit just to piss people off all day.
I find it funny and it keeps you from bothering others.
Bring it
Fuck off antisemite
Are you disagreeing with the thesis of the comment above, or just critiquing the quality of their data?
If you disagree with the thesis, can you explain what your position is?
Me too. I’m seriously considering buying a kippah to visually make this point.
For the sake of completeness, Israel does happen to be Jewish, just like Hamas happens to be Muslim. And yeah, in light of recent history that’s ironic. Hopefully nobody here has forgotten we don’t all agree with our (distant, in my case) relatives.
Don’t worry, I usually don’t (and I didn’t say “the Jews”, just “Jews” - big difference, since a “the” in front of it would imply that it’s all while without “the” it’s just a part of them).
It just was needed in this context for the sake of my comment (the irony would be harder to understand otherwise).
I apologise
There’s a difference between Jews and “the Jews”. Your comment is not at all incorrect but it doesn’t apply to the comment you responded to.
Some of the Israeli Jews that are commiting genocide right now are decendents of Holocaust survivors, so I would say the irony is definitely there.
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Which denomination are they talking about? Chabad-Lubavitch?
Ghettos of WW2 are making a comeback, who’s forcing people into those ghettos will SHOCK you!
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Look, if we don’t let biden let netanyahu firebomb Rafah, then trump will let netanyahu firebomb Rafah, and we don’t want that
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Would you prefer a Trump win over Biden?
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some of us care
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what happened to your brain
Right, being crass on Twitter is why people don’t like him. Has nothing to do with being a fascist who wants to dismantle the democracy of the US and become a dictator
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Trump is the only US President to ever plot to overthrow the US government.
There is no argument here. You are simping for a fat rich sack of shit who tried to end US democracy.
Trump literally floated using the US military as a mercenary force, among a giant swathe of other fundamentally terrible policies he furthered, not to mention the broad and very obvious corruption under his administration just a few years ago. What in the fuck are you even talking about?
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“Many of us like to ask ourselves, ‘What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?’ The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.”
This news outlet is disreputable.
Biden’s solution will be to rush them billions in more money and weapons
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Didn’t the US give them a choice between Iran and Rafah?
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