• Chloé 🥕
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    heck, most dialects have different internal dialects too!

    the diversity is what makes languages so cool

  • Manucode
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    Nobody in their right mind uses words like “Palatschinken”, “Paradeiser”, “Piefke” or “Schlagobers”.

  • @hakase@lemm.ee
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    “A language is just a dialect with an army and a navy” -Max Weinreich

      • @yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
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        “Variedades de español”

        During much of its history, and especially during the Francoist dictatorship (1939–1975), the Catalan language was ridiculed as a mere dialect of Spanish.[60][61] This view, based on political and ideological considerations, has no linguistic validity.[60][61]

        Wikipedia: Catalan language

        • @occhineri@feddit.de
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          nota: el mapa sola muestra las variedades de español castellano, no las demás lenguas habladas en España

          • lad
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            This statement seems to be wrong, as there are at least three languages that are not dialects of Castellano here (likely more)

            • @occhineri@feddit.de
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              Afaik, castellano is spoken everywhere, at least as a secondary language. Hence I understand the map to show regional variants of castellano spoken either exclusively or secundary to another local language.

              Edit: precised my input a bit since it led to misunderstandandings

              • @azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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                If 100 % of Indians start using English as their lingua franca (they’re on a track to just that), does that make Hindi a dialect of English?

                The sociopolitical reality of a lingua franca does not define the scientific linguistic reality of other languages.

                I will say that personally the notion of catalan being a subset of castellan sounds ridiculous on account of the fact that in its written form catalan is roughly mutually intelligible with french, where castellan is not. If it’s going to be lumped in as a dialect of something, it’d be more intellectually honest to make it a dialect of French.

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                  That’s not what I’ve said. Also, there are a lot more languages spoken in India than just Hindi and English is only used by a relatively small elite afaik

              • Tar_Alcaran
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                precised my input a bit

                I love when other words make such excellent verbs

        • 🏳️‍⚧️Mia🏳️‍⚧️
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          yeh more in that list like vasco r also languages but that list includes both languages and dialects which I guess is why neither of these words were used

      • wander1236
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        They are all wrong (except Catalan, because that’s a different language and closer to French than Spanish)

        • lad
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          I can’t understand what happens in this thread, do you disagree that listed are Spanish (which is true, a lot of listed languages are not dialects of Spanish)? Why do you only make an exception for Catalan then?

          • wander1236
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            The only one I personally know isn’t Spanish is Catalan which is why I called it out. I’m being tongue-in-cheek about Iberian Spanish (or Spanishes) being the “wrong” type of Spanish vs. Latin American varieties.

            • lad
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              Ah, I see. What I know for granted is that Valenciano is very close to Catalano, and Vasco is an isolated language, so at least two more. But from what I heard, there really are quite many languages that are not dialects of Spanish in Spain

    • @where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
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      The north-west speaks Portuguese, the north-east speaks french, basques speak a language that’s not even Indo-European. South is rednecks, and the rest is madrid + some desert. But, sure, the the nice infographic from someone else.

      • wander1236
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        It’s wild to me that Basque seems to have just evolved on its own, and that it’s survived

        • No no, at some point a large part of Europe spoke Basque-like languages. Then Indo-European languages spread westward from Russia, and replaced all the rest.

  • Since I have no horse in this race, I can proudly say that both American English and English English are wrong. The English language as a whole is wrong. Thank you, I’ll come back later to impart more wisdom.

  • HEXN3T
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    The United States