• Quik2007@kbin.social
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    I don’t really like the conspiracy theory of the moon landing being fake next to mass surveillance after 9/11 - which really happened as shown by Snowden.

    To deny things like e.g. the mass surveillance after 9/11 does not make us more believable and doesn’t make it more likely to convince climate change deniers.

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        But the fact is that 9/11 , whatever kind of job was ( inside? External? Mixed? ) , was used to push a surveillance state, as they waited for the right occasion. As covid with lockdowns and cashless society push. The fear that climate change will be used to push other autoritarian measures it is not conspiracy, is a fact.

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          Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. -Milton Freidman

          See also: Brexit

          Joe Biden famously claimed that the PATRIOT Act was based on his legislation, a counter-terrorism omnibus bill that had failed previously.

          They always seem to have plenty of unsavory ideas “lying around.”

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      i think it would have worked if it had the word fake before disasters, implying the conspiracy theories that all of those were hoaxes made by the government instead of just being about the reactions to them

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      The denial of mass surveillance and mass control make climate change as a fake news. You deny mass surveillance, so your theory is fake.