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I was really dissatisfied that notes are always somehow weirdly shared with a propriatary backend. There is jtx Board which uses your CalDAV calendar (Nextcloud, Radicale, etc.) as a backend which is really cool. The UI is also OK, but there seems to be no (Linux) desktop app for that.
So I started https://github.com/jeena/JNotes because I was curious about developing for GNOME anyway. It’s going very slowly - because I am a stay at home dad with a one year old who demands all my attention :D - but it’s going forward, but I guess it’ll take another year before it’s usable ^^.
Actually I was hoping that there would be more notes apps using standard backends like CalDAV or IMAP, but it’s almost impossible to find something, everyone seems to want to implement their own backend and then charge for the synchronization.
None of those standards are e2e
As long as you host it yourself it doesn’t matter.
It’s not reasonable to assume that most people are going to self-host, or even how to go about doing that if they wanted to, but people still deserve a right to privacy and products that support that. I think that’s what they were trying to say
good for them, love to see proton continuing there growth I pay for protonmail plus and definitely am happy to do so, for actual private email
I pay for the same but may go down to their free tier. After a purge of email and emails with larger attachments I’m down to less than 500mb. The only thing I dislike on the free tier is their automated signature to advertise proton. I hardly ever send emails though so not too much of an issue.
I went with Pro for the custom domains and catch-all inbox. Now I can give out whateveriwant@mydomain.com and it will get back to me. It’s nice for easily identifying phishing, plus you can set up filters to trash emails to a particular address automatically, so if one of your addresses gets compromised you can just filter them out. Also, it’s nice to see who’s selling your info!
I do pay for SimpleLogin and will continue to do so. The only place my actual proton email address is exposed is on SimpleLogin. Every site I use on the internet has its own alias. That’s 350+ sites currently.
The only downside to a catchall, as I see it, is someone could just start creating any random email address knowing it will find your legitimate mailbox. Also sending as any of the aliases can be a pain.
Compared to simplelogin (or proton pass aliases, addy, firefox relay, etc), one other downside of a catchall is in associations across accounts. Registering with a
@passmail.netaddress implies that I use Proton; registering withrandom-string@mydomain.orgimplies I have access to that domain. If 10 data breach leaks have exactly one account matching the latter pattern then that’s a strong sign the domain isn’t shared. If one breached site has my mailing address, my real identity can be tied to all the others.Yeah, I have to agree that the ‘send as’ can be a pain, would be nice if it sent as the recipient email by default. As far as people spamming looking for a legit address, I’ve fortunately not run into that, but I could see how that could happen.
Yeah. I mean, even if you did get targeted by someone they really don’t want to waste their time on someone who is more privacy/security conscious. Thieves want easy targets.
Keep paying so some other poor fuck has a free vpn and e-mail
honestly half the reason I pay is mainly just to support proton. But I do also like having the ability for the more than 1 Email
More than one email?
I don’t disagree but paying £40 a year to remove a signature seems excessive. I’d actually like to go for Unlimited but can’t justify the cost.
So I don’t pay for unlimited I pay for just the email subscription that does include the calendar (which I probably will start using I’m just very ingrained in Google calendar right now and don’t feel like going through the hassle of changing it)
But as part of it I can have more than 1 email attached to the same account. So I have 1 for most things and 1 for the really important like bills and stuff
Proton’s alternative to Google Docs getting closer? 👀
It will really hard or impossible to reach the level of development that ms and google have in their cloud collaborative products. They don’t have the resources like the mentioned two monsters.
A single coder made photopea which is near feature parity of photoshop. I think the Proton team can figure out a docs suite
It may require intense passion and a manic episode to do something like that with one coder or a small team, which is hard to arrange bureaucratically.
Or a burning hatred of proprietary systems
I don’t think that’s true at all.
I haven’t used only office but it looks pretty great.
Open source alternatives are always around, even if they’re a few steps behind corporate offerings.
Sadly money marks so many things. But is a fact.
Not surprising. Proton seems to be exploiting the niche of “privacy” . I haven’t seen anything to the contrary other than turning over metadata due to court order.
Mixed feelings on this, as a user of simplelogin, proton and standard notes as individual services for the last 4+ years I love them all, and trust proton.
However one of the key reasons for choosing those services was they were isolated, and without risk of vendor lock in or single points of failure… Depending how this goes it could be great, I just hope they don’t force/push integration with proton too much. Maybe I’m just being a FUD pusher. Certainly equally a chance this is great for both proton and StandardNotes. SN has lacked development on a fair few plugins recently so hopefully this aids that.
I appreciate this perspective and that was also my immediate reaction. Then I realized, as long as I can easily export my data and move elsewhere, I shouldn’t be too concerned.
I dunno, Google Takeout exists, and I still have plenty of concerns about their offerings.
Oddly, Google Keep Notes isn’t included in Takeout…
Google nearly went through trouble to make sure that takeout is a pain in the ass to import anywhere else.
As a matter of fact anytime I use any company’s product and try to export it from there and import it somewhere else it goes horribly wrong.
I don’t want my text documents in HTML.
This is very true, and SN does do that. That said I have hundreds of notes in SN… Its essentially my life at this point so its heavily integrated and would be both a shame and a pain to migrate! Here’s hoping its positive for all involved though and this is a needless concern!
Rip. Time to delete all my standard notes.
Seriously curious: why is that?
I don’t trust Proton at all, and Obsidian is a nicer experience for this anyway. I had a ton of old notes, and now that a new owner is taking them all, it’s time for me to delete my account and move on.
Can you articulate why you don’t trust Proton? From everything I know, they have a stellar reputation and have been around since 2013 with no end in sight.
and now that a new owner is taking them all
But they’re E2E encrypted? I don’t understand the issue here.
If you trust Proton, you trust that they’ll remain e2ee securely. If you don’t trust Proton, you don’t trust that they’ll remain e2ee securely. I don’t trust Proton and actively avoid their products.
But the entire point of E2EE is that you don’t need to trust them.
There’s a point to be made for web apps, but with their client apps, the source code that encrypts your data is right there.
With reproducible builds (that don’t exist on all platforms) and code review of every update (which I won’t do).
why? as a 5 years subscriber I am fine with that and they said they don’t want to mess with it and as long as Proton make it better. I am fine though.
Ahhhh!!!
I literally, just purchased a subscription to Joplin Cloud! I already pay for Proton Unlimited and was tossing up between Joplin and Standard Notes.
What a bummer… I bet Proton adds this as an additional service to Proton Unlimited.
It’ll probably take time though until it’s available
I don’t trust Proton. Avoid it at all costs, they’re expanding and want money. Your data is at risk!
How is a company expected to operate without money?
Genuinely. Proton expanding is a good thing in my eyes at least in this stage. They offer their services at a pretty hefty, but reasonable price compared to others, and don’t have a free offering for certain things they run. Their incentive to operate is continuing what they were built on and getting better.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a press release announcing the move, Proton emphasized the pair’s “shared values,” including the use of E2EE; a commitment to open-source technology; and how neither has relied upon venture capital to drive growth.
This includes building on its first acquisition — email alias startup SimpleLogin, which it acquired in 2022 — as well as developing and launching fully fledged password manager app Proton Pass in June.
So the company is evidently not allergic to user acquisition and other consolidation-based growth opportunities where it sees enough philosophical overlap plus the chance to deepen its technical bank.
“The deal is a strategic decision designed to benefit users by bringing to market secure, easy to use, private products that anyone can access,” Proton wrote.
“Standard Notes and Proton engineers will begin working together immediately to ensure their combined skills and experience bear fruit for users as soon as possible.”
Asked about the sustainability of pro-privacy business models that don’t rely on exploitation of user data — when so much of mainstream tech still continues to roll in the opposite, data-mining direction — Yen emphasized the need for long-term thinking by privacy startups.
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