• AdaA
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    Trans surgeries are not “cosmetic”.

    Speaking as a trans person, access to trans healthcare is far more important to me than dental healthcare.

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        its not cosmetic, its reconstructive. i dont give a fuck what some fascistic cis people think is ‘cosmetic’ or not, the term is mostly just used by insurance companies and governments to weasel out of paying out to medically necessary interventions.

        why the fuck are you in this comm? leave.

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          I’m a trans commie and think dysphoria is generally cosmetic, and think its fucked both teeth and ffs aren’t covered.

          But I guess I just don’t like punching down

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            It is fucked that both teeth and ffs are arbitrarily gate kept in order to balance the books in a deeply disfunctuonal healthcare system. It should obviously all be free at the point of care. And the only reason it isn’t is to deny care to poor people.

            What’s obnoxious are the cises showing up (in other comments) to be like " um actually if you look up the medical authorities in the fascist country America people say it’s cosmetic". 🤓

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              Yeah I agree with that, and people need their argument dopamine hit so things are gonna by defualt get unruly pretty quick.

              I think the only thing I disagree with is making it too much of an us vs them situation, as hard as that is when it feels like they’re doing the same, but hey maybe I was just born out of hippie times and am feeling the pain lmao - they had some shit going on when they disagreed with labels being overly general in my opinion

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                I agree, some people are just argumentative, there’s a time and a place.

                I take the criticism about making this too us vs them, but part of the reason for the reaction was not about dividing people but pushing back on bad behavior. Anyone who views themselves as a cis ‘ally’ who finds themselves in the situation of trying to ‘prove their point’ to a bunch of trans people in a trans space really needs to self-crit and step back.

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        Cosmetic surgery relates to appearance. Transition related surgeries relate to dysphoria

        Someone with damaged teeth would disagree with you because of appearance, health, social and mental impact of living with and having to hide damaged teeth.

        Both my partner and myself both have damaged teeth. It’s nothing like that

        Arguing trans healthcare should always come first because you prefer it in your situation is a shit argument.

        I don’t need it. I was fortunate enough to be able to self fund my own surgeries. But doing so has had long lasting effects on my financial security.

        Notably, I didn’t spend that money on teeth or any other cosmetic issues, because it’s not even remotely the same. Spending my future to make my teeth look better would be a poor choice.

        Spending my future to deal with my dysphoria was what I had to do to ensure that I had a future.

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            Yeah, the trans person, talking about first hand experiences navigating this exact topic is the one who doesn’t get it…

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                The Mayo clinic, which is a respected source,

                Love getting shit gate kept by fucking assholes, eat my entire ass

                Healthcare is only rationed out out the way that it is because profiteering middle men make money by denying care

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                A type 1 diabetic with ruined teeth would likely disagree with you on priorities

                That’s my partner. Her teeth are absolutely on the list, but transition care is above it.

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              No offence but comments like this are only harmful to our community, and I know saying this might not change your mind on anything, but I’d feel wrong if I didn’t ask.

              Don’t try to speak for all of us, I know many of us have been treated horribly for years simply because who we are, and as fucked as that is it doesn’t make it ok to put your trauma above others, in a way that may be affected by your personal bias.

              The queer community has always been about outsiders, arguably even more so than simply about sex or gender, and in that vein I couldnt go to bed comfortably if I could gaurentee ffs to some of our sisters while leaving millions in constant physical pain, just like I feel looking in the mirror every day.

              This is class warfare, not bum fights in an alleyway - cause we all know the upper class has rock solid solidarity, and we don’t stand a chance until we do as well.

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                Transition surgery is healthcare, not cosmetic. That’s all I said.

                This idea that trans healthcare trumps other healthcare needs is something the person I was talking to said, not something I said

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                  I see, sorry to have read your intentions wrong and I agree with you.

                  Mostly I just wish Ontario would get its head out of its 1%'s ass and give us healthcare instead of this freenium bullshit

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                  I appreciate how you took ‘our’ in an individual sense, it takes a certain level of mental warping to achieve

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                    Where did they take it to an individual sense? You’re being a “pickme” and arguing for respectability politics. I vehemently disagree that trans people need to make ourselves and our rights palatable to non-queer folks.