Oh, is there a 97% consensus among historians that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong the same way that 97% of studies indicate climate change is real and human caused? Are there entire fields of study that only exist because of the agreement that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong like plate techtonics for the spherical earth? Do we have constant access to the physical evidence of the CCPs claim like we do with satellites that can only work with a spherical earth?
Even assuming you are being hyperbolic, your statement is outrageous on its face.
Did you not see the other commenter in this thread saying that not a single student protester died?
Also I love the attempt to shift the blame by “clarifying” that it was “violent activists” that died and not more neutral terms like student protesters or citizens demanding democracy.
Quick question, if the CCPs actions were so clearly justified and good, why does China spend so much energy and money trying to keep their citizens in the dark about it?
Every account by reporters that were in or around the square at the time of the incident concurs with the official CPC narrative. The wild conspiracy gesturing came later, when hundreds of deaths (equally distributed between protestors and military/police) turned into thousands and then tens of thousands of innocents gunned down en masse. People on reddit will tell you that the PLA crushed thousands of people with tanks and hosed their remains down the storm drains - those are the claims that I’m referring to that are on the level of climate denial or flat eartherism.
Also I love the attempt to shift the blame by “clarifying” that it was “violent activists” that died and not more neutral terms like student protesters or citizens demanding democracy.
The first act of violence was a truck with unarmed soldiers in it getting firebombed. Doesn’t get much more violent than that. By all accounts from those in the square however, the overwhelming majority left peacefully after the violence started in streets surrounding the square, which is why I feel a distinction between violent activists and the majority is worth making.
The CPC also doesn’t try to keep their citizens in the dark about it. Everyone knows it happened. That copypasta that you think will instantly get a Chinese person banned from a CS:Go lobby doesn’t actually do that.
Tbh, I’m embarrassed to say that I thought that people were run over by tanks until I saw someone arguing it on Lemmy and I went to look up accounts by Western reporters there at the time, including the guy who took the tank man picture. So even if the “tankie” instances are right on this subject, they probably shouldn’t ban people, but should disseminate correct information instead.
Oh, is there a 97% consensus among historians that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong the same way that 97% of studies indicate climate change is real and human caused? Are there entire fields of study that only exist because of the agreement that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong like plate techtonics for the spherical earth? Do we have constant access to the physical evidence of the CCPs claim like we do with satellites that can only work with a spherical earth?
Even assuming you are being hyperbolic, your statement is outrageous on its face.
Did you not see the other commenter in this thread saying that not a single student protester died?
Also I love the attempt to shift the blame by “clarifying” that it was “violent activists” that died and not more neutral terms like student protesters or citizens demanding democracy.
Quick question, if the CCPs actions were so clearly justified and good, why does China spend so much energy and money trying to keep their citizens in the dark about it?
Every account by reporters that were in or around the square at the time of the incident concurs with the official CPC narrative. The wild conspiracy gesturing came later, when hundreds of deaths (equally distributed between protestors and military/police) turned into thousands and then tens of thousands of innocents gunned down en masse. People on reddit will tell you that the PLA crushed thousands of people with tanks and hosed their remains down the storm drains - those are the claims that I’m referring to that are on the level of climate denial or flat eartherism.
The first act of violence was a truck with unarmed soldiers in it getting firebombed. Doesn’t get much more violent than that. By all accounts from those in the square however, the overwhelming majority left peacefully after the violence started in streets surrounding the square, which is why I feel a distinction between violent activists and the majority is worth making.
The CPC also doesn’t try to keep their citizens in the dark about it. Everyone knows it happened. That copypasta that you think will instantly get a Chinese person banned from a CS:Go lobby doesn’t actually do that.
Tbh, I’m embarrassed to say that I thought that people were run over by tanks until I saw someone arguing it on Lemmy and I went to look up accounts by Western reporters there at the time, including the guy who took the tank man picture. So even if the “tankie” instances are right on this subject, they probably shouldn’t ban people, but should disseminate correct information instead.