(Content warning, discussions of SA and misogyny, mods I might mention politics a bit but I hope this can be taken outside the context of politics and understood as a discussion of basic human decency)
We all know how awful Reddit was when a user mentioned their gender. Immediate harassment, DMs, etc. It’s probably improved over the years? But still awful.
Until recently, Lemmy was the most progressive and supportive of basic human dignity of communities I had ever followed. I have always known this was a majority male platform, but I have been relatively pleased to see that positive expressions of masculinity have won out.
All of that changed with the recent “bear vs man” debacle. I saw women get shouted down just for expressing their stories of being sexually abused, repeatedly harassed, dogpiled, and brigaded with downvotes. Some of them held their ground, for which I am proud of them, but others I saw driven to delete their entire accounts, presumably not to return.
And I get it. The bear thing is controversial; we can all agree on this. But that should never have resulted in this level of toxicity!
I am hoping by making this post I can kind of bring awareness to this weakness, so that we can learn and grow as a community. We need to hold one another accountable for this, or the gender gap on this site is just going to get worse.
I never quoted you, I am pulling out the substance of your argument here:
This is definitely flaunting, and definitely using your mod status to make you out to be a good person.
I fucking hate you for going into this stupid pedantic argument. This is what you always do. Literally always. I won’t be continuing with this line anymore, I have quoted you directly and there is nothing more to say. Fucking tool.
You have nothing to say about civility rules? You can’t defend yourself at all? You are okay with knowing you are upholding rules that silence minority opinions and rightfully angry individuals? How long can you ignore the topic?
Not once have you meaningfuly engaged with what I have been telling you. You are unable to because it threatens your sense of power.
No it isn’t. Both of those things are lies. I will not address anything else you have to say while you continue to lie about me.
I do not, and have never claimed to be, a good person. That is not my call. My only claim is that I do my job as a moderator well enough that I keep being asked to moderate more channels, so maybe I’m not as bad a moderator as they claim.
Again for the people in the back row:
I do not, and have never claimed to be, a good person.
Now, are you going to stop lying? Because until you do, I will not address anything you said.
lmao you’re so lost in the sauce you’re just like , “yeah I’m not a good person”. okay.
So you still won’t acknowledge that it’s a lie that I bragged about being a “really good person.” Even though when I explicitly say twice that it is nothing I have ever claimed to be in my entire life.
I guess you don’t want me to discuss your points after all. Weird that you keep complaining that I won’t discuss them.
You just admitted you’re not a good person, what more is there to say? My whole argument was that you’re a shitty person for enforcing these civility rules.
Okay, fine. I’m a shitty person. Like I said, it’s not my call.
All I know is that I came in here and told the OP that I would like to help them and let them know how to get in touch with me if there’s a problem and you felt that was absolutely unacceptable of me.
If that makes me a shitty person, I accept that.
🤔🤔 hmmm was that the part of the comment I was talking about? Or are you disingenuously pretending? 🤔🤔🤔 let me find the nearest kindergartner to help you out with this.
Yes, I know, you are objecting to my using the word ‘civility’ by taking it entirely out of the context of the post.
Here is the context including why I said it to the OP:
OP: "All of that changed with the recent “bear vs man” debacle. I saw women get shouted down just for expressing their stories of being sexually abused, repeatedly harassed, dogpiled, and brigaded with downvotes."
Me: Every community I moderate has a civility rule, and shouting down or harassing women who are telling personal stories would be against those rules.
You: 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
So yeah, I get that you are objecting to my using a single word when, taken out of context, means that I expect people to be polite all the time and not speak up when there’s some injustice. Of course, I didn’t mean that, as you can tell from what I literally said, or my comment history which you claimed to have read when I myself do that frequently, but you would much rather argue with something I never said or intended to say or even implied.
And your “proof” was me telling someone who was specifically telling me how I was a bad moderator that other people didn’t seem to agree which meant I was bragging about being a really good person, something you still refuse to acknowledge is not true.
Honestly, it seems like you just wanted to get angry at someone and I was an available target.
So, again, fine, I’m a shitty person.
I’m also a shitty person who’s going to keep a very close eye on you if you post in communities that I moderate in from now on because you just lie and lie and lie and I will not tolerate that where I moderate.
And that is my last post in this conversation.
I am objecting to the enforcement of civility rules, which are unnecessary given existing bigotry rules. You know that, but you’re pretending that’s not what I am saying. My proof was several well thought out arguments, and even some outside resources on the topic of civility and politeness rules being oppressive.
You ignored all of this.
Of course, the moment you start attempting to address the actual topic, you say “oh yah I won’t respond” 🙄 I have seen you do that before so I’m not surprised. I fucking knew you would do that if I addressed your pedantic assholery.
You’ll respond indefinitely to pedantics, but won’t engage in anything of substance, and then act self righteous and also… only clip the part of my comments that are 🖕🏻🖕🏻, ignoring the point I actually made. 🙄
And now you are abusing your power because you are calling me a “liar”
You do realize this is exactly what I am talking about with the civility rules and the inherent power imbalance?