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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.
EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)
Important clarification/FAQ
I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!
I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)
Very good comments that express key points:
- Detailed summary of the situation if you’re wondering what’s going on
- The rhetorical value of the bear hypothetical and what this means for you
- One example of why the long-term rhetorical value of the hypothetical is poor, in the context of intersectionality
- What does disenfranchisement mean in this context?
- The importance of not asking women to tone down their expressions of fear and frustration
- “But why can’t they just say it nicely?”
- The importance of participation in kindness toward young men, specifically outside the context of people speaking their experiences
What was the original hypothetical question? “Would you rather be stuck camping with a man or a bear?” Or is it “young man”? Or “creepy man”? I’m browsing the comments on all these threads and I’m just so confused.
If you were alone in the woods, would you rather encounter a bear or a man?
I get their reasoning but seeing every other TikTok being about it (either women against men or men crying about when picking bears) is just too much. It seems too much about picking a side now and no discussion is happening. I just block anyone that pays about it on TikTok.
i totally understand that experience, as i’m sure do many others! ❤️
your emotional response to all of this is valid because it’s a very emotionally heavy topic. through all of this, it’s really important to listen to one another. the patriarchy has existed for millennia, and that generational trauma isn’t going to magically dissipate for either end of the gender spectrum.
if you are interested, i have been encouraging folks to look into !mensliberation@lemmy.ca, which i think has been and can be a good spot for folks to voice their experiences in a supportive setting.
Honestly this just leaves me more confused. Maybe it’s just where I live. People I would find in the woods? Hikers and foragers mostly, usually in their 50s likely minding their own business. Though, no chance of a bear here.
i’m with you haha, it’s not a rhetorically great meme. at the root it’s just important to listen to what women are expressing by saying they’d choose the bear, but best not to try to double down on the hypothetical or take it personally. :)
Good point, thank you ^^