An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC’s US partner CBS News.

Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.

Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night

  • @ToastedPlanet
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    12 months ago

    who the fuck mentioned Jews here? I’m talking about Israelis, cut your equivocating antisemitic bullshit.

    If someone refers to Israelis as a race I would assume they are confusing Jews, an ethnic group, culture and religion as a race as opposed to confusing Israelis, a nationality, as a race.

    we didn’t stop Nazism because we didn’t kill enough Nazis, on either side of the ocean. the fuckers who got social media in on it can be traced back to that. if we’d killed more Nazis then, we wouldn’t have these problems now.

    Even if we had killed everyone who was a Nazi, the ideas could be still be spread by people who are not Nazis and then internalized and adopted by a new group of Nazis. Ideas outlive the people came up with them and believed in them. The best that would do is kick the can further down the road, but we still have to deal with this problem eventually.

    • @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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      12 months ago

      don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.

      the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.

      american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out (possibly to the people who should have got the property and would have done the raising if the slavers had won anyway). yes that’s technically genocide, but I’m saying it should have happened to some of my shitty ancestors, and I still think I’m right. that culture of keeping human beings imprisoned as chattel slaves needed to die, and because we left them alive; it didn’t.

      • @ToastedPlanet
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        22 months ago

        don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.

        I was referring to the poster above you.

        the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.

        My point is that killing all Nazis wouldn’t have prevented Fascism from spreading.

        american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out

        Killing all slave owners wouldn’t have stopped the Lost Cause of the Confederacy myth which is responsible for the confederate sympathizers we have today. The myth is an idea and can be spread by people who don’t own slaves.

        • @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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          12 months ago

          was referring to somebody else

          so why are you arguing with me?

          killing all the Nazis wouldn’t have stopped fascism

          hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.

          killing the slavers wouldn’t have

          I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.

          now, me noping out isn’t so much fix as those first couple generations did damage, abd that’s why I think they should have been killed. every single one.

          • @ToastedPlanet
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            12 months ago

            so why are you arguing with me?

            I was agreeing with you. I added my two cents.

            hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.

            People who weren’t Nazis knew what fascism was. Fascists wrote books and gave speeches. Fascism would still exist in peoples’ minds as a concrete idea that can be communicated to other people even if no Nazis survived the war.

            I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.

            People who didn’t own slaves spread the myth as well. Killing entire families of slave owners would not have stopped this.

            The fascists and confederate sympathizers of today aren’t necessarily direct biological descendants of those in the past. They are ideological descendants.

            • @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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              12 months ago

              it might have been restarted later, but it would have stopped first

              read and respond to this. read and fucking respond to this please.

              people who didn’t own slaves

              propagated it, but somebody had to do the initial push, and in telling you, from my own family, they’re proud of the major push and consensus manufacturing they accomplished, even well into the 20th century. this is not hypothetical, this is literally what I have seen and heard them admit to me and noticed them try to push me to continue the tradition. this is what happened, and open historical documents noting membership in the early kkk and dotc support it.

              this happened. it was real. it likely still is real. atop denying history to spare fucking Nazis.

              and its not just here. the old Italian fascists were mentors of the current Italian fascist leaders, including Mussolini’s family. the places the rat lines lead to tended to have fascist coups during the 20th century. modi’s explicitly fascist RSS (currently doing a genocide) was founded as a stay-behind by Nazi agents in the 30s.

              kill. more. fucking. Nazis. all of them. kill all the Nazis. every single fucking one, or it will happen again. and again. and again.

              • @ToastedPlanet
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                12 months ago

                it might have been restarted later, but it would have stopped first

                Fascism doesn’t stop until everyone internalizes that fascism is a terrible ideology. And then keeps teaching that to new generations.

                this happened. it was real. it likely still is real. atop denying history to spare fucking Nazis.

                Killing people won’t kill their ideas. The myth of lost cause would still have been spread by non-slave owners. It just would have taken longer. People don’t have to directly learn about fascism from a 20th century fascist to become fascists. Even if every living Nazi, fascist, and confederate sympathizer dropped dead right now we would run into this problem sooner rather than later. Ideas and information are freely available on the internet. They circulate faster than ever before. If we don’t defeat these ideas then we will keep having this problem no matter how many people die.

                • @melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
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                  12 months ago

                  it would have taken longer and killing slavers is no great loss. I also think it would have been less coherent and less awful, it wouldn’t have had money behind it, it would have been less sticky. I’m not sure it would have survived.

                  so theres a benefit but no down side to killing every last one.