• CobblerScholar@lemmy.world
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      Protest is never peaceful, if it is you’re doing it wrong. It should be non-violent and as respectful as possible but it needs to be disruptive and you can’t be peacefully disruptive

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        Peaceful and non-violent are synonyms….

        You also contradict yourself as well. You say to be non-violent, then you say you can’t be peacefully disruptive… those contradict each other.

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          If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are being disruptive.

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              …and in 99% of the cases where it stops being “peaceful” it’s because cops come in and violently assault everyone to try to break up the protest.

              I’m really not sure of the point you’re trying to make. Protest can be peaceful, non-violent and disruptive.

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              Hmm I see what the dictionaries are saying but (using an example from above) I think argument exists that:

              If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are not being peaceful.

              But it’s Friday and no time for argument!

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                  Peaceful: freedom from disturbance; tranquility.

                  It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn’t tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren’t hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren’t disturbing anything. You can’t be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.

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                    Literally the next definition after that one….

                    not involving war or violence.

                    SYNONYMS…

                    Peaceful literally means non-violent…. Literally defines the bloody term lmfao.

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                  I see a lot of other people have responded with examples and argument.

                  So I’ll disagree and say the argument falls apart when I don’t argue. (Cause it’s Friday. You ain’t got no job. You ain’t got shit to do. I’m gonna get you high today.)

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          Non-violent in the context of political action does not exclude property damage and looting. A non violent protest is still disruptive, it’s the entire point

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      In the USA its because they use facial recognition and then decide to harass you for the next decade over every small infraction they can.

      Because nobody in a position of power would ever abuse that power! /s

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      There have been events where nazis show up to counter protest and film/photograph you to then share among themselves so they can attack you later.

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        Thats happening a lot lately in Germany. At every fucking Antifa protest at least one suspicious looking guy films with his handy. I honestly doubt, that they have the necessary skill and contact with other fascists in other cities to identify everybody, but I still don‘t want them to know my face

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      Masks are no indicator of criminality. The idea that bad protesters wear masks is complete horseshit. It serves to divide movements and prevent momentum from being gained. It seeks to dissolve solidarity that couls have been gained at the protests.

      Masks allow peaceful protests to remain peaceful if they prevent the violence of the justice system. Sometimes protesters and organizers are simply arrested and thrown in jail for a bit, sometimes even given nonsense charges, which is something that happens to organizers and some protesters in my area.

      As well as that, masks can simply be good secops in some counter-protests such as protesting against fascist marches, gatherings, etc. If I’m showing up to show nazis or boogaloos or proud boys that they are unwelcome, the last thing I want is a violent right wing extremist group to try and doxx me. If I’m escorting people to a drag-queen story hour, I don’t want fascists to doxx me.

      It’s also smart in some areas, such as Harvard’s campus where organizers are constantly doxxed and accused of antisemitism even though they are not.

      Finally, what if the government makes your particular movement illegal? What if they start throwing the book people, accusing everyone involved(or at least the ones they can catch) of domestic terrorism? Wearing a mask will make it a lot easier for you to maintain your freedom when faced with the tyrrany of the state.

      Also, masks look cool, and that’s a pretty good reason imo.

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      “Peaceful protest” is the ideal they push because it doesn’t work. If it worked it wouldn’t be praised. They don’t want change.