The Fedipact statistics are interesting

7% of active users committed to #fedipact - https://fedidb.org/current-events/anti-meta-fedi-pact

* How representative of the user base is this, or are admins gatekeeping here? A large survey would be good to clear that up.

* EG, Mastodon, relative to its userbase, seems the most “Meta friendly” with only 57% of fedipact users (but ~80% all users)

* Fractal of niche-dom? Fedi ~1% of social media, fedi-pact ~ 10% of fedi. So anti-meta-fediverse ~0.1%?

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  • AdaAEnglish
    17·
    9 months ago

    I’m not sure how much faith you can put in those stats. My two instances are both defederated from Meta platforms for example, but I haven’t signed the Fedipact. For me, it’s not about Meta itself, but because they house hate groups. If they stopped doing that, I’d federate with them

    • maegul@hachyderm.ioOP
      2·
      9 months ago

      @ada

      Interesting! Cool to know that the actual number is higher than 7%.

      In the end though how likely are Threads/Meta to *not* have hategroups?

      Would it be a good idea to have a more accurate (and therefore higher) number on how many Threads defeds there are?

      • AdaAEnglish
        7·
        9 months ago

        I don’t see them removing the hate groups any time soon, but as far as my defederation approach goes, that just makes them like any other hate platform on the fediverse. They get blocked and I move on.

        Would it be a good idea to have a more accurate (and therefore higher) number on how many Threads defeds there are?

        I’m not sure that it makes much of a difference to anything? It won’t change Meta’s approach to the fediverse, and the pact tracker will never have accurate numbers because of people like me and people that that defederate without even knowing the pact exists.

        • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
          6·
          9 months ago

          I signed the pact. Besides the fact that its meta, I would also not federate with one platform 10x bigger than the whole fedi. Thats not organic growth.

          Difference between growth and cancer imo.

          • AdaAEnglish
            3·
            9 months ago

            I would also not federate with one platform 10x bigger than the whole fedi.

            See, I would be ok with that, if they weren’t full of hate.

            • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
              4·
              9 months ago

              I get that and thats a other reason I signed.

              The 10x approach means that they now make the rules and your viewers (and your own) perception gets warped by the inflated interaction. 10x power consumption, 10x moderation, 10x storage (actually more than 10x depending on who your instance follows).

              If you ever need to defederate, all users will see a barren wasteland. I dont think thats a sound strategy, but thats just my two cents.

              • AdaAEnglish
                4·
                9 months ago

                If you ever need to defederate, all users will see a barren wasteland.

                If that were true, the fediverse would already be a barren wasteland, because threads isn’t federating with much of anything at the moment…

                • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
                  4·
                  9 months ago

                  Let me rephrase that:

                  There are studies that show that if you eat highly sweetened, salted or otherwise intensely seasoned food, it becomes harder and harder to return to normal food because A, your brain builds pathways for the things you do that make it easier and B, your receptors become weaker and weaker so that normal food will taste bland.

                  This is true for everything. You get used to all kinds of things. It is the reason a lot of people are addicted to social media. The constant dopamine rush of corpo social media is what keeps them going and many (me included) advicate to make these techniques illegal.

                  So, opening your instance to meta is like putting tons of seasoning in your food or mixing heroin to your saline infusion. Its not impossible to get off of it but if you ever read an addicts journal or watch a documentary about it (I have), you will see that it makes everything else a barren wasteland (that hasnt been previously).

                  And in case you want to take the next low hanging fruit of an argument: no, your users are not able to judge this for themselves. That is wrong. We tend to think of ourselves as less biased as we actually are. A strudy if you want to read about it https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1999-95006-117.

                  • AdaA
                    2·
                    9 months ago

                    Sure, if this were their first exposure to centralised social media and if they weren’t members of a highly targeted minority that are ongoingly harassed on those platforms.

                    But this isn’t their first time. They’re here specifically because they chose to get away from the experience that mega instances offer gender diverse folk.

                    And ultimately if Meta removes the hate, we will then refederate because the hate is gone and if that means some members of our community head back to a mega instance that takes hate seriously, that’s an acceptable outcome to me.

                    And if they don’t remove the hate (which they won’t), we stay defederated and it’s all hypothetical.

            • AJ Sadauskas@aus.social
              4·
              9 months ago

              @ada @haui_lemmy This is where it’s a bad thing that Tumblr hasn’t federated with the Fedi yet.

              Having the “original” Fedi apps (including Mastodon) plus Tumblr would better balance the size of Threads.