I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

  • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
    5•5 months ago

    And I remember being shat on for having those opinions? Sorry?

    • squiblet
      7•5 months ago

      Again, by whom? I could say the same thing in different communities and some people would love it and others be enraged. I mean, criticize Trump in a conservative reddit sub in 2016 and you’d get instantly banned with a vulgar message from the mod.

      • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
        4•5 months ago

        MetaFilter is actually where a lot of DC DNC members have accounts and have for a long time. It’s one of the places where you can get a good eye on actual professionals and what they’re thinking.

        This has been a problem on MeFi forever and continues to be, just check out thread on Jeff Sharlet’s book The Undertow. Half of it is about how Chris Hedges must be a Russian shill, despite the same people loving Hedges during the Bush administration.

        https://www.metafilter.com/202246/A-slow-civil-war

        So yeah, people who actually work for the DNC at the national level, that’s who. Along with every shitty redditor in every halfway political sub. And just peruse this thread (gestures wildly) for current examples, thanks.

        • AnonTwo
          6•5 months ago

          …If they’re a DNC heavy site, then go to a normal site. Even reddit is going to be more normal. It’d be like going to truth.social and trying to argue anything about Trump.

          I’ve never heard of metafilter in all my life.

          But I still checked the articles in 2016 (it has an archive) and it was definitely not the discussions we’re having now.

          edit: I don’t see anything like that in the 2000 elections for bush either.

          • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
            4•5 months ago

            Knowing how MeFi works, I have a hard time believing you read all the political threads post-2000, post-2008 and post-2016 already. They’re not neatly threaded like here, and many of them are hundreds of comments long, but sure, you “don’t see any.”

            What you’re more likely to see is a message from a MeFi admin “a couple comments removed” while usually leaving the stuff that impugns progressives in the thread, removing any pushback or discussion of pushback.

            I’m literally on Lemmy right now, one of the most leftist sites on the internet, and I’m still dealing with this bullshit right now.

            So I don’t know where else you want me to go where I’m not overrun with it?

            • @PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world
              2•5 months ago

              I’m literally on Lemmy right now, one of the most leftist sites on the internet, and I’m still dealing with this bullshit right now.

              I’m starting to think the problem may just be you.

    • AnonTwo
      3•5 months ago

      People are always heated for political discussions, but that was not the discussion back then.

      It was literally the first election I voted in. It was mostly people making fun of trump/hillary. It was definitely not a “not the time” kindof discussion. The bleak discussion currently going on is semi-recent.