Part of the reason people have criticized Musk’s in particular is because of the high rate of fatalities in the trials on monkeys. I’ve seen scientists commenting that it should’ve been pulled after the first death, considering how stringent the requirements for animal testing are, but all those issues and requirements have largely been hand-waved away.
Because that’s simply not true, animals die in laboratory environments and experiments all the time, but for some reason only one company takes any public heat.
Okay I did it again just for you and found that I was right in the field I’m knowledgeable in (shocking) and it’s not above the norm.
The total number of animal deaths does not necessarily indicate that Neuralink is violating regulations or standard research practices. Many companies routinely use animals in experiments to advance human health care, and they face financial pressure to quickly bring products to market. The animals are typically killed when experiments are completed, often so they can be examined post-mortem for research purposes.
Also, maybe you’re conflating the total number of animal deaths with just monkeys…they test on a variety of animals, same as any other company.
O man, really, that’s the only quote you found? That’s a qoute from a Reuters article from December 6, 2022, so just after news about the federal probe broke out and there was no more information about it. You also had to look really hard for it, because it’s very far on the results list. So yeah, smooth, really smooth, just like Fox News…
Here is what I found:
Animal 15 began to lose coordination and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.`”
Overnight, researchers observed the monkey, identified only as “Animal 20” by UC Davis, scratching at the surgical site, which emitted a bloody discharge, and yanking on a connector that eventually dislodged part of the device.A surgery to repair the issue was carried out the following day, yet fungal and bacterial infections took root. Vet records note that neither infection was likely to be cleared, in part because the implant was covering the infected area. The monkey was euthanized on January 6, 2020.
Shown a copy of Musk’s remarks on X about Neuralink’s animal subjects being “close to death already,” a former Neuralink employee alleges to WIRED the claim is “ridiculous” if not a “straight fabrication.” “We had these monkeys for a year or so before any surgery was performed,” they say. The ex-employee, who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation, says up to a year’s worth of behavioral training was necessary for the program, a time frame that would exempt subjects already close to death’s door.
Animal 22, was euthanized in March 2020 after his cranial implant became loose. A necropsy report revealed that two of the screws securing the implant to the skull loosened to the extent that they “could easily be lifted out.” The necropsy for Animal 22 clearly states that “the failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection.” If true, this would appear to directly contradict Musk’s statement that no monkeys died as a result of Neuralink’s chips.
Oh, and it may come as a shock to you, but Musk and his henchmen are lying pieces of shit. They lied about the condition of the animals and their deaths (unlike normal research teams), which is another reason why people are mad and this isn’t like other research conducted by actual scientists.
Take care and try to avoid getting hit by the Cybertruck, a “car” that isn’t road legal in any normal country.
Yes because that quote about it being not out of the normal is the most important part.
And yes they have an interest in lying at any company that controls the research and development, but the federal government investigated them last year and it seems to have found no wrongdoing.
But I guess none of that is enough for you people here just shooting the shit and not being serious because it’s a meme community. So carry on with your hot takes and get your rage fill for the day on!
I didn’t find any specifics on death rates in my search through the legalese, but I remember reading a comment sometime before Reddit killed third-party apps from somebody who works in a lab with nematodes that animals more complicated than those are regulated strictly enough that even a single death under your watch can be grounds for termination of your license when you get up to monkeys and such.
Neuralink treats animals quite well compared with other research facilities, employees said in interviews, echoing public statements by Musk and other executives. Company leaders have boasted internally of building a “Monkey Disneyland” in the company’s Austin, Texas, facility where lab animals can roam, a former employee said. In the company’s early years, Musk told employees he wanted the monkeys at his San Francisco Bay Area operation to live in a “monkey Taj Mahal”, said a former employee who heard the comment. Another former employee recalled Musk saying he disliked using animals for research but wanted to make sure they were “the happiest animals” while alive.
Part of the reason people have criticized Musk’s in particular is because of the high rate of fatalities in the trials on monkeys. I’ve seen scientists commenting that it should’ve been pulled after the first death, considering how stringent the requirements for animal testing are, but all those issues and requirements have largely been hand-waved away.
Source?
Because that’s simply not true, animals die in laboratory environments and experiments all the time, but for some reason only one company takes any public heat.
Take 2 seconds to start typing the word “neuralink” into Google
One of the first auto fills will be “neuralink monkeys”
And from there it’s stupid easy to find articles on the topic
Okay I did it again just for you and found that I was right in the field I’m knowledgeable in (shocking) and it’s not above the norm.
Also, maybe you’re conflating the total number of animal deaths with just monkeys…they test on a variety of animals, same as any other company.
O man, really, that’s the only quote you found? That’s a qoute from a Reuters article from December 6, 2022, so just after news about the federal probe broke out and there was no more information about it. You also had to look really hard for it, because it’s very far on the results list. So yeah, smooth, really smooth, just like Fox News…
Here is what I found:
Oh, and it may come as a shock to you, but Musk and his henchmen are lying pieces of shit. They lied about the condition of the animals and their deaths (unlike normal research teams), which is another reason why people are mad and this isn’t like other research conducted by actual scientists.
Take care and try to avoid getting hit by the Cybertruck, a “car” that isn’t road legal in any normal country.
Yes because that quote about it being not out of the normal is the most important part.
And yes they have an interest in lying at any company that controls the research and development, but the federal government investigated them last year and it seems to have found no wrongdoing.
But I guess none of that is enough for you people here just shooting the shit and not being serious because it’s a meme community. So carry on with your hot takes and get your rage fill for the day on!
The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Actually Died
Elon Musk denies Neuralink monkeys died gruesome deaths, saying they live in ‘monkey paradise’
Musk’s Neuralink faces federal inquiry after killing 1,500 animals in testing Note: More than a year old at this point
US Animal Welfare Act links on the National Agricultural Library website
I didn’t find any specifics on death rates in my search through the legalese, but I remember reading a comment sometime before Reddit killed third-party apps from somebody who works in a lab with nematodes that animals more complicated than those are regulated strictly enough that even a single death under your watch can be grounds for termination of your license when you get up to monkeys and such.
From your own sources: