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  • Snot Flickerman
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    96 months ago

    It’s about prioritization of data, which can be through ISPs, but in this case, it’s Google choosing to prioritize or deprioritize data.

    I understand, yes, that’s its generally aimed at ISPs, but this is an example of a non-ISP using data-shaping to impact use of their service.

    • @LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world
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      36 months ago

      it seems quite by definition that ISP are what it’s about though

      the principle that internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites. -Oxford Dictionary

      Net neutrality is the principle that an ISP has to provide access to all sites, content, and applications at the same speed, under the same conditions, without blocking or giving preference to any content. -Wikipedia

      Network neutrality—the idea that Internet service providers (ISPs) should treat all data that travels over their networks fairly, without improper discrimination in favor of particular apps, sites or services - EFF

      Net neutrality, principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) should not discriminate among providers of content. -Britannica

      • Snot Flickerman
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        16 months ago

        The fact that its an oversight to not apply it to companies like Google if they are also choosing what traffic gets to people is an oversight, to be sure.

        Google acts as an ISP in a different capacity, as well. Alphabet spun off lots of parts of the company, but last I checked, they’re still technically an ISP. So why wouldn’t rules apply to a business that is also literally an ISP with Google Fiber?

        • @LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world
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          16 months ago

          also, it’s not an “oversight”. we’re just literally not talking about net neutrality here and that’s what I’m saying. this isn’t a net neutrality problem lol

          • Snot Flickerman
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            16 months ago

            And up until a few months ago Net Neutrality was a dead issue in America, and could be again, because it isn’t a law, it’s an FCC rule. If people report this to the FCC, there’s definitely a chance that they could look at this and amend NN rules to account for it. They can literally change it anytime they want.

            • @LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world
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              16 months ago

              bro just admit you got the definition wrong and stop with this please. idc if it should be. it’s not. by definition.

              • Snot Flickerman
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                Fine, I got it wrong. Happy? I still think its a fucking joke that it wouldn’t apply in this instance, because it literally involves them degrading service for certain users over others.

                • @LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world
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                  yes, actually! its a positive thing when people can admit that. I was just getting frustrated that you were beating around the bush when you were wrong. look, I, too, believe in net neutrality and companies not being anti competive dick holes, but we gotta use the right words for things or else people start mixing issues up and it weakens the issue as a whole when people start confusing it with other things.

                  • Snot Flickerman
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                    6 months ago

                    I disagree because language is imperfect and everyone has their own connotations for words and ideas, no matter what you do. You can’t unmake that part of humanity, where certain words and ideas make us feel things. I think the focus on “words of the law” over “spirit of the law” is how America has turned into a fucking shithole by letting every scumfuck get away with stuff that’s “within the letter of the law” because people stopped giving a fucking shit about the “spirit of the law.” In some countries, they don’t go by specific wording, but do go with the spirit of the law. That matters. Also, let’s not even get into how language evolves and the idea that it is in any way static is a real big joke.

                    So good that you’re happy, and I think the focus on “the right words” is absurd. We’re literally facing rising fascism from people who abuse words.

                    EDIT: Amazon gained its market position because monopoly law doesn’t account for a business that builds its monopoly through not making a profit for nearly 15 years. Amazon is now even bigger than Walmart when it comes to sales, and absolutely dominates the market, but because the letter of the law didn’t expect a company to run on growth and losing money until it was large enough to dominate, nothing was done until they were already in a monopoly position. Using “clear words” left a gaping fucking hole for that shit to happen.

            • @LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world
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              26 months ago

              hit post too fast but we’re talking YT here. this isn’t going through their ISP. it literally does not count. if Google fiber added the slow lane, sure net neutrality problem.