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[Announcement] Lemmy.ml has defederated from ani.social (and what this means for us) - AniSocial
ani.socialPlease do not say anything hateful to the Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] admins or
the developers. Before commenting on this thread, please read the post
completely. — We (ani.social) have been defederated from Lemmy.ml
[http://Lemmy.ml] a few hours ago presumably for the reason of being “full of
CSAM” which I disagree. ## What happened? The Lemmy developers recently launched
the new redesigned join-lemmy.org [https://join-lemmy.org] webpage which
provides information about Lemmy and a list of servers that people can join. The
redesign looks great! It details a lot of new and useful stuff such as a
categorized server list and mobile apps. However, I noticed that our instance
(ani.social) was not in the list despite previously being there before the
redesign. After looking through the joinlemmy-site code
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site], I discovered that ani.social was
added to the “excluded” list in a commit a few weeks ago
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/commit/d17c4d7d2fbeafb6e39000332d0ac21499de5b47].
I thought that this was a mistake so I made a pull request
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/266] to remove us from the
excluded list (and also to add our instance’s category and language).
Unfortunately, the pull request was closed with a comment that reads “No, that
is full of CSAM”. The thread was locked so I couldn’t reply. I tried to reach
out to the developers via Matrix, politely explaining that ani.social has a
content policy rule against CSAM [https://ani.social/legal] which reads: > 7. Do
not submit content depicting a child (both real and virtual) engaged or involved
in explicit sexual activities. A child is defined as a person who is under 18
years old; or a person, regardless of age, who is presented, depicted or
portrayed as under 18 years old. Unfortunately, my invitation was rejected and I
did not hear back from them. Shortly after, I discovered that Lemmy.ml had
defederated from ani.social [https://lemmy.ml/instances]. The last post
ani.social received from Lemmy.ml [https://ani.social/post/861241] was just
after the pull request was closed. ## What does this mean? This means that no
user from ani.social can interact with communities from Lemmy.ml
[http://Lemmy.ml] and vice versa. This affects those who subscribe to
communities from that instance. This also affects the anime community on Lemmy
as a whole because the biggest anime discussion community resides on Lemmy.ml
[http://Lemmy.ml] (!anime@lemmy.ml [/c/anime@lemmy.ml]) in which their episode
discussion bot, @shinobu@ani.social, is hosted here. It’s very concerning that
as an anime-themed instance, we’re now completely disconnected from this
community and other related communities. This also affects ani.social in the
long run as our exclusion from the join-lemmy.org [http://join-lemmy.org]
webpage will reduce our visibility. The exclusion from join-lemmy.org
[http://join-lemmy.org] and defederation from Lemmy.ml [http://Lemmy.ml] may
also prompt other instance admins to defederate from us. Generally, ani.social
will be seen in a very bad light. As the admin of ani.social, I genuinely feel
heartbroken after what had happened. Not only do I feel like I’m doing a poor
job of building ani.social but I also feel like I’ve disrespected the work of
the Lemmy developers. I really apologize to those who are affected by this. I
hope that this is just a misunderstanding and I will do my best to resolve this
problem.
Those of you that have your account on lemmy.ml may want to consider moving to another instance if you still want to be able to access ani.social.
That’s really unfortunate that this happened. Are they planning on moving your posts to a different instance, like lemmy.world, or will they try to get people to come to ani.social for the episode interaction with Shinobu bot?
Bot maintainer made a post over here.
tl;dr is that the short term plan is to try to reverse the defederation. Longer term plan if that doesn’t work is probably to try to resume posting with a user on a different instance.
The root of the problem is that the anime community on the lemmy-verse has more or less consolidated to this community for episode discussions. If you look at other instances, there is a huge drop off in activity when it comes to episode discussion communities compared to here. So, it would not make sense to try to move this community to another instance as that would pretty much destroy what has been built up here compared with just moving the host instance for the bot.
hope I’m not misinterpreting but wouldn’t staying on lemmy.ml only delay a potential recurrence of problems?
cause what’s stopping the admins from nuking the anime community if they’ve already chosen to defed from ani.social?
tbh to me it makes the most sense to migrate the community to ani.social as they were the community that was unreasonably impacted from this decision
this kinda looks like a reddit situation again
You’re not wrong and I think that is exactly what chaorace’s reply to me in that thread is worried about. Frankly this situation is really unfortunate and I don’t have a good answer.
yeaa that’s totally fair, this shit sucks
with weighing longterm pros vs cons personally I’d still try and convince the community to transfer over as:
Communities on the fediverse aren’t beholden to a single instance as well. If
.mladmins can’t come to agreement to refederate, y’all should contact the shinobu bot dev to start including links to ani-social discussions on this instance, and petition mods of this community to do something to help that transition (what that is? I dunno).That said, I’m saying this having read these comments but not the og post. idk what the actual context to the conversation is, nor validity of the defederation, I’m just pro-democracy.
I of course can’t speak on behalf of N3DSdude, but I’m in support of whatever the community wants to happen, happening. Just give us reason to believe it’s actually a significant portion of the community please