• MemeCollectorOPEnglish
    3•10 months ago

    So you’re claiming racism and sexism are what, an inevitable part of (white male) human nature we just have to put up with, while you get on with your oppressing? Yet if I said men are shit I guarantee you’d reply with “not all men”… Gtfoh you racist sexist ass.

    • @TeckFire@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1•10 months ago

      …what? That’s not at all the point I was trying to make

      I meant that ever since humanity started to grow more aware of the fact that racism and sexism can be so damaging, that that knowledge is kind of hard to forget or bury, and I don’t believe that either one of them will go back to the “dark ages” of the 1800’s. So with that in mind, especially with the internet available, what constitutes as racism or sexism reforms “failing?” Is it failure to achieve perfect extermination of these outdated ideals? Or is it something more extreme, like society undoing changes that have already been made towards rights and awareness?

      Full disclosure: I am a US citizen, so much of my knowledge on racist and sexist societal reforms are framed with this in mind, I can’t speak to other countries

      • fkn
        2•10 months ago

        https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/combahee-river-collective-statement-1977/

        The tl;dr is that independent movements leave or create additional issues. The example I have used elsewhere in my replies on this post is jk Rowling. She is a feminist. She is also a terf. Feminism, by itself, doesn’t solve the problems of other excluded minority groups. If feminism was the only movement we considered, Rowlings position might not have ever been exposed and the bigotry that trans women face wouldn’t be addressed by the feminist movement because terfs would silently exclude them.

        In the 30s and 40s a major problem with feminism was the racism that infected it. It was for women’s rights, as long as it was white women. This problem still exists today. Is feminism, feminism if black women are left behind? Are black women not women? Are trans women not women?

        • @TeckFire@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1•10 months ago

          With the context of the other comments on this post, I have a much better understanding of what I think you’re trying to say, which is that (and correct me if I’m wrong) in order for these movements to succeed completely, they must work congruently with each other. Rather, it’s not about a movement “failing,” but about individual movements not maximizing potential for benefit without adjacent ideals. Does that sound about right?

          In other words, feminism hasn’t “failed,” but it won’t “succeed” if TERFs are the primary figures, for example

          • fkn
            1•10 months ago

            Correct, which from the point if view from a trans woman may be failure.