• Erikatharsis@kbin.social
      38·
      1 year ago

      For every Daryl Davis who can successfully talk down 100 Klansmen, you’ll find 100 Black people begging for their lives trying to reason with the Klan in their last moments. For every thought of “I can fix them!” that you may have, you have to weigh that against how many more people you’ll need to fix if you platform their ideas and treat them as something worth “respectfully debating”.

      Convincing people to leave hate groups is a great thing to do, but if respectful debate were effective on the large scale, and we have no shortage of people respectfully arguing that hate is a bad thing, why is the far right a bigger threat now than it was ten years ago? Do not tolerate the intolerant, do not debate the undebatable, do not respect the unrespectable.

        • VoxAdActa@kbin.social
          17·
          1 year ago

          The “far right” is growing because the left keeps moving further left, and normal people realize they’re now considered conservative.

          I guess there really is no floor for how simple an idea can be when it’s not beholden to reality. Thanks for the example.

            • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
              2·
              1 year ago

              If I’m “radically far left”, where would you place tankies and the likes then? Seriously, get your head checked and open your eyes as to what is happening in your idiotic country. If you don’t like my harsh tone, then simply start to do better, be better, be a decent human being. Until then I’m not going to touch you with velvet gloves because your behavior and decisions over there have a crucial impact on the rest of the world. Until then you can continue to suck my pucker, because that somehow would still make your shit spewing mouth somehow cleaner. o7

        • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
          6·
          1 year ago

          This talking point is a deliberate strategy of the far-right that has no basis in reality.

          The far-right is growing because people like him are allowed platforms to groom people for extremism. And whenever that platform is at risk, they start trying to guilt people by bleating about “censorship” and “free speech” and “echo chambers”.

          Just ban him. He will never contribute anything of value. We’re already aware what the opinions of assholes are, we don’t need reminding.

    • czech@kbin.social
      21·
      1 year ago

      You sound like you’ve never argued with fascists online.

      They only exist in echo chambers, anyway, and do not debate in good faith. There is nothing similar to what Daryl Davis did except in the most superficial way possible. Go visit /r/conservative and you might actually learn a thing or two.

        • Xariphon@kbin.social
          16·
          1 year ago

          I was active in r/Conservative, and here I’m the primary contributer to m/Conservative.

          This is already a point at which you should go home and rethink your life. Everything else you’ve said only digs the hole deeper.

        • czech@kbin.social
          6·
          1 year ago

          That’s a hilarious turn; my statement was meant to be rhetorical. But you really have never argued with fascists!

          And I never said YOU were fascist… but I guess that doesn’t fit with your canned response then, huh?

            • czech@kbin.social
              11·
              1 year ago

              Fascism:

              a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

              Yea wow, we’ve never seen that in the last 7 years!

              I can see I really triggered you with that word. It’s hilarious that you self-identified with it and got defensive.

        • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
          4·
          1 year ago

          And did you give such flowery speeches about people’s “freedom of speech” over in r/Conservative when they routinely banned people for not just disagreeing, but for not agreeing enough?

          Or, like them, is your sense of injustice reserved entirely for straight, white reactionaries?

    • SlowNPC@kbin.social
      14·
      1 year ago

      I have mixed feelings about this

      On one hand, Daryl Davis is a hero, and his method actually works to de-radicalize people. I prefer using this method when I encounter bigots irl.

      On the other hand, allowing bigoted speech in your online platform has the potential to drive away normal folks and turn your platform into the echo-chamber where bigotry flourishes that you mentioned. This is basically what happened to Voat.

      I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

      I agree with this, but it’s beside the point. This isn’t a public space like a street corner, it’s a managed public/private space like a bar, where the bouncer will kick you out for abusing other patrons.

        • Chetzemoka@kbin.social
          12·
          1 year ago

          No. You don’t have the right to debate other people’s right to exist. Such speech is an act of violence and should be treated as such.

          I don’t want a group of people sitting around “discussing” whether or not black people are inherently inferior either. That is not speech we should accept in the public sphere

            • Chetzemoka@kbin.social
              12·
              1 year ago

              Says the person who’s never heard their own right to exist or the rights of their loved ones called into question publicly.

              You don’t have the right to “debate” other people’s equal rights.

            • Walk_blesseD
              8·
              1 year ago

              “Speech is never an act of violence” mfs when I use a public platform to smear them as child molesters, while simultaneously encouraging acts of vigilantism against “paedos”: 😯

      • danhakimi@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Daryl Davis does what he does in one-on-one contexts and other safe environments.

        He doesn’t go on extremist internet forums and try to convince a bunch of nutjobs and trolls and violent monsters all at the same time. He would have been downvoted into oblivion where people who are looking for somebody to troll would have found him and antagonized him until he left.

    • Balios@kbin.social
      12·
      1 year ago

      If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.

        • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
          7·
          1 year ago

          As you grow up, you’ll stop caring what others think of you (hopefully you will — no everyone does

          Good people care about what their friends and family think of them more than they care about grooming school shooters.

        • Balios@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          The fact that you think that quote is about “owno, they’ll think Imma Nazi ;_;” reveals sooo many flaws with your world view.
          Absolute “I am 12 and this is deep” material, hilarious.

    • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
      4·
      1 year ago

      Are you a transgender person?

      You just seem so smart and intelligent regarding how a marginalized group should defend itself against attacks on its existence, I was just wondering if—and I know this is ludicrous to even conceive—you turned out to be full of shit, would you bear the consequences of being wrong about how trans people should deal with people who want to murder them or will you be fine regardless?