No such thing as “ethical regurgitative (what the morons call generative) ai”. If the model has even a single work not properly licensed and/or paid for then it is exploitive and should not be legal
I’m late to the party. I’ve only come across the term “regurgitative AI” today, but as of now I’ve seen it twice. I love it (the term, not the process)
I’ve been using it for a long time now, personally never heard anyone else use it to describe them. Always thought it to be a more appropriate term to describe how they actually work
It is more appropriate for llms, but not for diffusion models (imagegen). Those are more throw shit at a wall and refine it a thousand times (whereas llms just grab shit that looks similar to what they want). It’s why generated images usually look normal at a glance and fall apart the moment you pay attention to details, because the AI judges the whole image to be close enough to training images that match the prompt instead of having any intent behind individual parts.
I think the problem is simply that the other choice seems even worse. We either have unethical AI which is open source and free to use, or we get restrictive censored ethical ai owned by the copyright industry. I dont look forward to a future where openai can tell me what I can and can’t generate, with everything else being illegal.
People have a misconception that AI will get shut down or small time artists will somehow get a slice of the pie. What is actually being decided is if they get to screw us with a monopoly or not.
Even an open source unethical regurgitative ai is absolutely shit, might be slightly less shit but still shit. If it’s built off of stolen work then it should not exist, no question. Sure the cat is out of the bag already but that doesn’t mean we should settle for something that is objectively terrible because it is slightly less terrible than the alternative.
Feel like I need to attach a quick comparison to the chocolate industry to help explain my point further.
With the chocolate industry companies big and small largely thrive off of the slave trade. Slave labor is used to grow and harvest cocoa beans which will then be processed into chocolate. I do not support companies that benefit from the modern day slave trade since I have a functioning moral compass which says that slavery is obviously wrong… Doesn’t matter to me that the small company might be mom and pop shop that sell chocolate, if they are profiting off of slavery then they are almost as bad as the large companies. So I choose to spend my money on chocolate that does not support the slave trade
Now replace big companies with well big companies, small companies with open source unethical regurgitative ai. Chocolate with regurgitative ai and slavery with exploitation of all human created works.
Now you’ll see that my stance is pretty clear that I do not support the exploitation of people at any scale.
No such thing as “ethical regurgitative (what the morons call generative) ai”. If the model has even a single work not properly licensed and/or paid for then it is exploitive and should not be legal
I’m late to the party. I’ve only come across the term “regurgitative AI” today, but as of now I’ve seen it twice. I love it (the term, not the process)
I’ve been using it for a long time now, personally never heard anyone else use it to describe them. Always thought it to be a more appropriate term to describe how they actually work
It is more appropriate for llms, but not for diffusion models (imagegen). Those are more throw shit at a wall and refine it a thousand times (whereas llms just grab shit that looks similar to what they want). It’s why generated images usually look normal at a glance and fall apart the moment you pay attention to details, because the AI judges the whole image to be close enough to training images that match the prompt instead of having any intent behind individual parts.
I think the problem is simply that the other choice seems even worse. We either have unethical AI which is open source and free to use, or we get restrictive censored ethical ai owned by the copyright industry. I dont look forward to a future where openai can tell me what I can and can’t generate, with everything else being illegal.
People have a misconception that AI will get shut down or small time artists will somehow get a slice of the pie. What is actually being decided is if they get to screw us with a monopoly or not.
Copyright debate notwithstanding, why do you feel like AI is so important that crippling it would be bad?
Even an open source unethical regurgitative ai is absolutely shit, might be slightly less shit but still shit. If it’s built off of stolen work then it should not exist, no question. Sure the cat is out of the bag already but that doesn’t mean we should settle for something that is objectively terrible because it is slightly less terrible than the alternative.
Feel like I need to attach a quick comparison to the chocolate industry to help explain my point further.
With the chocolate industry companies big and small largely thrive off of the slave trade. Slave labor is used to grow and harvest cocoa beans which will then be processed into chocolate. I do not support companies that benefit from the modern day slave trade since I have a functioning moral compass which says that slavery is obviously wrong… Doesn’t matter to me that the small company might be mom and pop shop that sell chocolate, if they are profiting off of slavery then they are almost as bad as the large companies. So I choose to spend my money on chocolate that does not support the slave trade
Now replace big companies with well big companies, small companies with open source unethical regurgitative ai. Chocolate with regurgitative ai and slavery with exploitation of all human created works.
Now you’ll see that my stance is pretty clear that I do not support the exploitation of people at any scale.