I am not the democrats, and i am not a democrat as the party has made it painfully obvious. They do not stand for progressive ideals, they actively shut It down. So no i am not my own enemy, i literally do not have a primary party to represent my interest.
I did not make a call to action, i told you why i will not vote Democrat again. It is a statement of the situation at hand. And looking at the polling numbers, it seems my path is the one actually being tread. Good luck bullying the disenfranchised progressive vote back into lock step with “authoritarianism but slower”. It seems to be working out so well for you.
Do you actually have a plan to get what you want, or are you just whining and fucking over everybody who doesn’t want to live in a truly fascist police state?
Plan? You already know my plan. To abstain from backing the democrats until they become a progressive minded party, or break. I am outright telling you of voter disillusionment. Sure i may vote for someone like Bernie Sanders, an independent that wears a D when he can use it. But i will no longer vote blue no matter who. They want to run a neocon? They can do it without me. The whole reason i spoke up is that the constant blaming of disillusioned voters for the failures of the Democratic Party is a distraction that seeks to prevent your plan in the first place.
Want the progressive vote? Better push progressive policy. Better fight conservative policies. The democrats do neither
You want people to push for progressivism by… doing nothing.
Congratulations. You’re a slactivist. This is why people in the democratic party refuse to take progressives seriously.
You don’t get 100% of what you want, you huff your little noses, and take your ball and go home. Then you have the gall to snipe from the sidelines when you have no skin in the game.
People that act this way are just as guilty of our current situation as trump supporters.
As a progressive / person with leftist ideology it fuckin kills me to see people, who might be Russian bots or propaganda Bros in all honesty or victims of them, keep saying to just do nothing and it’ll get better by magic.
Like it or not the Democrats are the only alternative to Republicans with how our system is set up. Enough people vote straight R or D every election with little to no knowledge over “that’s my team” that it is pointless to try to vote 3rd party just because of our electoral system’s flaws.
Either those peeps are arguing in bad faith, are ignorant to the reality of the situation or (unsurprisingly at this point) trolls or victims of GOP/nation state propaganda convincing them to throw their vote away.
People usually learn not to touch the stove when they get burned. The democrats have a large segment of voter apathy and disillusionment. They caused this, and we all got burned. So let’s see if they continue to burn themselves. If anything it seems to me that the Democratic Party is being passive to trumps actions because they are playing chicken with progressive voters. It puts the neocon on the ballot or else it gets the trump again. But the stance of damage mitigation is a short term and short sighted goal that sacrifices the future direction of governance.
My vote so far is my right, don’t like my vote? Though.
Yo if you want to support the GOP and the MAGA movement that is your right. Just saying I’d per prefer to have a Dem in office vs cutting my nose off to spite my face.
As long as you realize you’re actively helping MAGA then by all means you do you.
And i usually prefer progressive policies over lip service. It’s unfortunate that Democratic leadership chose their position. I am not cutting off my nose to spite my face, i am cutting off my nose to save my person. Seems my nose was destined to come off regardless.
Doing ‘nothing’ Is a stragetic choice. And i didn’t say i wasn’t going to vote i said i was not going to vote blue no matter who. I will not vote for neoconservatism. Period. I did that last election, and was rewarded with democratic lack of action and their talk of further relinquishing of progressive ideals to correct their stagnant voter problem that they caused.
My leverage is my vote and they can not just have it. No party deserves my loyalty. And if i can’t trust the democrats to fight a tyrant when it’s needed then i can’t trust them to not be one when they have power. With out pressure they have no onus to change and this is my one tool to get that change.
Thats dishonest and you know it. I want progressive change. I know the path to it is blocked by both political parties. And so my actions must be to address this. The first step is to change the party most likely to do so. My avenues to do that are very limited. And so my only leverage to direct a change is with my vote. There is no punishing anyone, if you are upset at this calculated choice, then take that up with the agent that made the calculated choice to abandon the progressive vote.
Sadly i see it as my only legal move. So i am compelled to take it even if risky. Part of that is taking heat off the narrative that non voters are to blame for the democratic loss. Not only that it’s unfair, but it should be socially acceptable the vote in a manner that represents your interests.
If voting trump or Harris is a make or break situation for you and your life, then yeah it’s the problem. Which then puts it as a point of privilege to be able to afford to not vote and have this outcome, which IS the cause of democratic loss and rights for b MANY people, and the loss of public health. All for the hope or bet that everybody will wake up after being punched in a face, a lot of people will needlessly die, and go really far left. Like sure I hope that happens too, and it’s… Kinnnd of a valid sacrifice move in the long term, but ONLY if it plays out.
My problem is that it costs so much and only has a small chance to claw our ways back to even where we were, let alone all the way left. I think we were screwed from the get go with all of our compromises, and this is a rocky path. But, there were also OTHER paths besides putting your face in lava to try to get the country and world to realize how bad things could get if we keep going down the moderate road and slowly sliding further and further to the right and into the greedy claws of capitalism and fascism.
My enemy’s enemy is… ALSO MY ENEMY! You’re your own enemy, congratulations!
I am not the democrats, and i am not a democrat as the party has made it painfully obvious. They do not stand for progressive ideals, they actively shut It down. So no i am not my own enemy, i literally do not have a primary party to represent my interest.
I did not make a call to action, i told you why i will not vote Democrat again. It is a statement of the situation at hand. And looking at the polling numbers, it seems my path is the one actually being tread. Good luck bullying the disenfranchised progressive vote back into lock step with “authoritarianism but slower”. It seems to be working out so well for you.
Do you actually have a plan to get what you want, or are you just whining and fucking over everybody who doesn’t want to live in a truly fascist police state?
Plan? You already know my plan. To abstain from backing the democrats until they become a progressive minded party, or break. I am outright telling you of voter disillusionment. Sure i may vote for someone like Bernie Sanders, an independent that wears a D when he can use it. But i will no longer vote blue no matter who. They want to run a neocon? They can do it without me. The whole reason i spoke up is that the constant blaming of disillusioned voters for the failures of the Democratic Party is a distraction that seeks to prevent your plan in the first place.
Want the progressive vote? Better push progressive policy. Better fight conservative policies. The democrats do neither
You want people to push for progressivism by… doing nothing.
Congratulations. You’re a slactivist. This is why people in the democratic party refuse to take progressives seriously.
You don’t get 100% of what you want, you huff your little noses, and take your ball and go home. Then you have the gall to snipe from the sidelines when you have no skin in the game.
People that act this way are just as guilty of our current situation as trump supporters.
As a progressive / person with leftist ideology it fuckin kills me to see people, who might be Russian bots or propaganda Bros in all honesty or victims of them, keep saying to just do nothing and it’ll get better by magic.
Like it or not the Democrats are the only alternative to Republicans with how our system is set up. Enough people vote straight R or D every election with little to no knowledge over “that’s my team” that it is pointless to try to vote 3rd party just because of our electoral system’s flaws.
Either those peeps are arguing in bad faith, are ignorant to the reality of the situation or (unsurprisingly at this point) trolls or victims of GOP/nation state propaganda convincing them to throw their vote away.
People usually learn not to touch the stove when they get burned. The democrats have a large segment of voter apathy and disillusionment. They caused this, and we all got burned. So let’s see if they continue to burn themselves. If anything it seems to me that the Democratic Party is being passive to trumps actions because they are playing chicken with progressive voters. It puts the neocon on the ballot or else it gets the trump again. But the stance of damage mitigation is a short term and short sighted goal that sacrifices the future direction of governance. My vote so far is my right, don’t like my vote? Though.
Yo if you want to support the GOP and the MAGA movement that is your right. Just saying I’d per prefer to have a Dem in office vs cutting my nose off to spite my face.
As long as you realize you’re actively helping MAGA then by all means you do you.
And i usually prefer progressive policies over lip service. It’s unfortunate that Democratic leadership chose their position. I am not cutting off my nose to spite my face, i am cutting off my nose to save my person. Seems my nose was destined to come off regardless.
Precisely.
Doing ‘nothing’ Is a stragetic choice. And i didn’t say i wasn’t going to vote i said i was not going to vote blue no matter who. I will not vote for neoconservatism. Period. I did that last election, and was rewarded with democratic lack of action and their talk of further relinquishing of progressive ideals to correct their stagnant voter problem that they caused.
My leverage is my vote and they can not just have it. No party deserves my loyalty. And if i can’t trust the democrats to fight a tyrant when it’s needed then i can’t trust them to not be one when they have power. With out pressure they have no onus to change and this is my one tool to get that change.
So, you’re punishing. You don’t actually want anything?
Thats dishonest and you know it. I want progressive change. I know the path to it is blocked by both political parties. And so my actions must be to address this. The first step is to change the party most likely to do so. My avenues to do that are very limited. And so my only leverage to direct a change is with my vote. There is no punishing anyone, if you are upset at this calculated choice, then take that up with the agent that made the calculated choice to abandon the progressive vote.
So your goal is to change the party that you think is most likely to cave by protest not-voting. Yeah?
It’s not terrible. Risky, but not the worst thing in the world.
Sadly i see it as my only legal move. So i am compelled to take it even if risky. Part of that is taking heat off the narrative that non voters are to blame for the democratic loss. Not only that it’s unfair, but it should be socially acceptable the vote in a manner that represents your interests.
I mean it really depends on your perspective.
If voting trump or Harris is a make or break situation for you and your life, then yeah it’s the problem. Which then puts it as a point of privilege to be able to afford to not vote and have this outcome, which IS the cause of democratic loss and rights for b MANY people, and the loss of public health. All for the hope or bet that everybody will wake up after being punched in a face, a lot of people will needlessly die, and go really far left. Like sure I hope that happens too, and it’s… Kinnnd of a valid sacrifice move in the long term, but ONLY if it plays out.
My problem is that it costs so much and only has a small chance to claw our ways back to even where we were, let alone all the way left. I think we were screwed from the get go with all of our compromises, and this is a rocky path. But, there were also OTHER paths besides putting your face in lava to try to get the country and world to realize how bad things could get if we keep going down the moderate road and slowly sliding further and further to the right and into the greedy claws of capitalism and fascism.