You are the one making the claim (“astrology is real”) and therefore the honus is on you to provide evidence. And the saying holds true. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
And you cannot provide that because it does not exist.
Edit: I just had another thought about your initial claim… You said that it works “when done correctly.”
I’m wondering, how does one know if the astrology was done correctly aside from the prediction ending up being correct? So wouldn’t that be a tautology?
It would be like saying that, “if you flip a coin correctly, it will always end up on tails,” with the only measure of success being “it landed on tails, therefore you flipped it correctly.” Therefore, by definition, flipping a coin “correctly” has a 100% success rate.
It’s fairly futile to continue this as you clearly already made up your mind (hopefully after a thorough open minded exploration in the topic as science would like you to)
You touch upon a key issue here: the extraordinary evidence is often extraordinarily personal, deeply vulnerable so not the stuff you can easily share. It works for me, and it helps me to see life clearer.
I like your coin toss analogy and I do understand there is plenty of astrology and horoscopes that have that vibe. And because of that I see that any prediction could be much more successful on Lemmy or Reddit by just omitting the astrology from the prediction. Or at least not lead with a screenshot of it.
The core of my prediction remains. A neo nazi, happening to sit on mountains of cash, freshly purchased the US presidency and with an affinity for the previous title holder of world’s most terrible human being.
The pieces are moving in place with the 19/4 protests which will probably be the biggest the USA has seen in a long while. They may turn violent. They may invoke a Marshall Law declaration.
The astrology is not the prediction. It simply shows that around that time is a cosmic fertile ground for these types of forces to clash and for a tension that has been building to be released one way or another. The astrology is not any astrology either. It’s from a Swiss company who has one of the highest reputations among astrologers, precisely because they are not predicting there will be Marshall Law, but outline the kind of energies which will exist around that time to enable an unexpected evolution such as the one outlined in the actual prediction.
Anyway, I’m sure none of that convinced you, but I’ll watching next weekend. This ride is not going to calm down, and hasn’t even gotten wild yet. Thanks for the civil discourse, despite our differences.
You should really go ahead and claim your Nobel Prize for being the first person to ever provide evidence for the effectiveness of astrology.
I’m not kidding. where is your Nobel Prize?
. It simply shows that around that time is a cosmic fertile ground for these types of forces to clash and for a tension that has been building to be released one way or another.
Please explain what “cosmic fertile ground” actually means.
Please explain to me how balls of gas billions of miles away (that, fyi aren’t even in the shapes you think that they are, they only appear that way because of the angle you’re viewing them at) have any affect whatsoever on the events of this planet.
Show your work. And then send it to the Nobel Prize Committee and claim your $1 million prize.
Once again, you need to provide evidence and you cannot. But I guess “it feels right” is enough for you.
There’s no need to adapt a tone with me Person Prole. It’s very clear you’re a skeptic, so it’s quite unnecessary to continue to highlight that fact.
I cannot provide evidence of the usefulness of astrology in my own life because that’s like asking a random stranger to give them your social security number. And when the in the end of the month things unfold that would remotely point towards these predictions, you would have a mountain of ready made arguments to refute it and claim luck or something else. We are not talking about science, we are talking about belief. And you won’t change yours just like I’m not changing mine. I have had your belief and I found this to be an improvement on virtually all aspects of life.
To your point, and the pointlessness of my responding to this: You see the gas giants as the things you know they are because of the angle you’re viewing them at as if their physical attributes or physical position or physical motion has anything to do with their value. I will paraphrase your question.
Please explain to me how 2 arrows of different lengths of metal or plastic only a few centimetres away from the centre of a clock can have any meaningful influence on the time of the day or when the sun will set, the seas will rise or the night will fall.
I will point out that in this very materialistic and ego centric view of (y)ours there are many things we can use or have a form of predictability without us completely understanding what it is.
In this mad world of instant news, AI, crypto and wireless payments and microchips we still have no idea what electricity really is. But that doesn’t mean we can’t use it.
If you keep going, you may discover that your fear of astrology has nothing to do with astrology at all, but with being comfortable not really understanding the vast depths of life and the universe, because it is fucking scary once you remove all the “we think we know for sure’s”. Just look back in human history how often we changed our mind on subjects we know consider set in stone.
But since you read this far, I can even answer your question in your world and viewpoint too: what in the world makes you think that a ball of gas CANNOT provide that influence? You and me are here and alive and talking because of one of them being ON FIRE a solid 93 million miles away from here and has been for millions of years too. That one is providing LIFE ON EARTH. What makes you think that just because others are a bit smaller or a bit further or not on fire wouldn’t have the tiniest bit of influence especially when they align with others? How do you know for sure they don’t? Just because you haven’t explored the idea doesn’t mean there’s nothing there. We just studied the Sun a lot more, but we are far from having all the answers.
And with that, Person Prole, I wish you many more joyous lapses around El Sol.
I hope that one day you’re able to get past this penchant for resorting to magical thinking.
You may think that astrology is just harmless fun, but at a societal level, the acceptable of pseudoscience like this as meritorious is dangerous.
This is the kind of thinking that leads to being anti-vax, and why children are dying of fucking measles again.
This is the kind of thinking that allows people to completely ignore the science surrounding it, and stake their entire personality on the belief that abortion is literal murder.
You’re eroding away your own ability to think critically.
The universe is incredible enough, there’s zero reason to ascribe magic traits to things without evidence. Learn astronomy instead, and be blown away when you can empirically prove the insane shit that you see.
LOL no.
Well, argued I love your scientific methods I need no further proof, thank you
Yeah that’s not how science works.
You are the one making the claim (“astrology is real”) and therefore the honus is on you to provide evidence. And the saying holds true. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
And you cannot provide that because it does not exist.
Edit: I just had another thought about your initial claim… You said that it works “when done correctly.”
I’m wondering, how does one know if the astrology was done correctly aside from the prediction ending up being correct? So wouldn’t that be a tautology?
It would be like saying that, “if you flip a coin correctly, it will always end up on tails,” with the only measure of success being “it landed on tails, therefore you flipped it correctly.” Therefore, by definition, flipping a coin “correctly” has a 100% success rate.
Do you see how meaningless all of that is?
It’s fairly futile to continue this as you clearly already made up your mind (hopefully after a thorough open minded exploration in the topic as science would like you to)
However
You touch upon a key issue here: the extraordinary evidence is often extraordinarily personal, deeply vulnerable so not the stuff you can easily share. It works for me, and it helps me to see life clearer.
I like your coin toss analogy and I do understand there is plenty of astrology and horoscopes that have that vibe. And because of that I see that any prediction could be much more successful on Lemmy or Reddit by just omitting the astrology from the prediction. Or at least not lead with a screenshot of it.
The core of my prediction remains. A neo nazi, happening to sit on mountains of cash, freshly purchased the US presidency and with an affinity for the previous title holder of world’s most terrible human being.
The pieces are moving in place with the 19/4 protests which will probably be the biggest the USA has seen in a long while. They may turn violent. They may invoke a Marshall Law declaration.
The astrology is not the prediction. It simply shows that around that time is a cosmic fertile ground for these types of forces to clash and for a tension that has been building to be released one way or another. The astrology is not any astrology either. It’s from a Swiss company who has one of the highest reputations among astrologers, precisely because they are not predicting there will be Marshall Law, but outline the kind of energies which will exist around that time to enable an unexpected evolution such as the one outlined in the actual prediction.
Anyway, I’m sure none of that convinced you, but I’ll watching next weekend. This ride is not going to calm down, and hasn’t even gotten wild yet. Thanks for the civil discourse, despite our differences.
You should really go ahead and claim your Nobel Prize for being the first person to ever provide evidence for the effectiveness of astrology.
I’m not kidding. where is your Nobel Prize?
Please explain what “cosmic fertile ground” actually means.
Please explain to me how balls of gas billions of miles away (that, fyi aren’t even in the shapes you think that they are, they only appear that way because of the angle you’re viewing them at) have any affect whatsoever on the events of this planet.
Show your work. And then send it to the Nobel Prize Committee and claim your $1 million prize.
Once again, you need to provide evidence and you cannot. But I guess “it feels right” is enough for you.
There’s no need to adapt a tone with me Person Prole. It’s very clear you’re a skeptic, so it’s quite unnecessary to continue to highlight that fact.
I cannot provide evidence of the usefulness of astrology in my own life because that’s like asking a random stranger to give them your social security number. And when the in the end of the month things unfold that would remotely point towards these predictions, you would have a mountain of ready made arguments to refute it and claim luck or something else. We are not talking about science, we are talking about belief. And you won’t change yours just like I’m not changing mine. I have had your belief and I found this to be an improvement on virtually all aspects of life.
To your point, and the pointlessness of my responding to this: You see the gas giants as the things you know they are because of the angle you’re viewing them at as if their physical attributes or physical position or physical motion has anything to do with their value. I will paraphrase your question.
I will point out that in this very materialistic and ego centric view of (y)ours there are many things we can use or have a form of predictability without us completely understanding what it is.
In this mad world of instant news, AI, crypto and wireless payments and microchips we still have no idea what electricity really is. But that doesn’t mean we can’t use it.
If you keep going, you may discover that your fear of astrology has nothing to do with astrology at all, but with being comfortable not really understanding the vast depths of life and the universe, because it is fucking scary once you remove all the “we think we know for sure’s”. Just look back in human history how often we changed our mind on subjects we know consider set in stone.
But since you read this far, I can even answer your question in your world and viewpoint too: what in the world makes you think that a ball of gas CANNOT provide that influence? You and me are here and alive and talking because of one of them being ON FIRE a solid 93 million miles away from here and has been for millions of years too. That one is providing LIFE ON EARTH. What makes you think that just because others are a bit smaller or a bit further or not on fire wouldn’t have the tiniest bit of influence especially when they align with others? How do you know for sure they don’t? Just because you haven’t explored the idea doesn’t mean there’s nothing there. We just studied the Sun a lot more, but we are far from having all the answers.
And with that, Person Prole, I wish you many more joyous lapses around El Sol.
I hope that one day you’re able to get past this penchant for resorting to magical thinking.
You may think that astrology is just harmless fun, but at a societal level, the acceptable of pseudoscience like this as meritorious is dangerous.
This is the kind of thinking that leads to being anti-vax, and why children are dying of fucking measles again.
This is the kind of thinking that allows people to completely ignore the science surrounding it, and stake their entire personality on the belief that abortion is literal murder.
You’re eroding away your own ability to think critically.
The universe is incredible enough, there’s zero reason to ascribe magic traits to things without evidence. Learn astronomy instead, and be blown away when you can empirically prove the insane shit that you see.