Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.
Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion
Edit2: IP= intellectal property
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Why impose human concepts of ethics onto animals that survive based on instinct? Humans are omnivores, and in places where we have access to Lemmy, we also have access to things like grocery stores and farmers markets. We don’t need to eat animals to be healthy, nor do we need to eat any other animal products. We do so out of tradition, or familiarity, and then justify the horrible way we treat other life because we like the taste. Plant life having sensations isn’t equivalent to the sensations that we know that animals have, and the suffering we know farming animals causes. And rather frankly, eating animals requires growing more plants and killing more plants than just eating the plants.
So you have moved other animals into your circle of respect but not plants. You still draw a line somewhere.
And outside of that line, you chomp down with the crushers evolution has placed in your mouth
What an incredible concept, that one would want to avoid causing suffering yet still eat.
Some people are so chauvinistic that they dont recognize their kinship with animals. Because animals cant speak. Then they come up with bullshit like `animals cant suffer´.
Some people are so chauvinistic that they dont recognize their kinship with plants. Because plants cant make sounds. Then they come up with bullshit like `plants cant suffer´.
Some people are so chauvinistic they dont recognize their relation to foreigners. Because foreigners dont speak English.
Listen, I understand where you’re coming from. But plant farming can be just as bad as animal farming. They cut down massive swaths of local wildlife, trees, flora, and use pesticides and other means that soak into the ground water and run off into lakes and streams. That affects literally everything too.
Yes, animal farming causes massive emissions. It’s filled with cruelty and waste. But so is plant farming. You can sustainably farm. But if you shop anywhere but your own back yard you’re contributing to that pollution. The produce we get at markets and stores comes from those big battery farms. Even farmer’s markets aren’t safe anymore - at least here the sellers are no longer small-time farmers. They’re resellers and from the big company owned farms that have more acres than workers. Because it’s too expensive for small time farmers to keep up with demand.
Vegan leather is so much worse for the enviroment than leather made from skin. Actual leather decomposes and becomes food for the earth. Vegan leather is usually made of plastic. The nail polish my spouse found recently is vegan - it’s made with plastics rather than biodegradable materials like beetle shells and plant-based colors.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. You are a part of this cycle too.
No, I don’t think you do understand where I’m coming from. One aspect of that is that I haven’t made a long thorough explanation of where exactly I stand because that was never my original intent w/ this thread. I meant it as one comment sharing an unpopular viewpoint, but I digress. Totally, animal farming also causes emissions. So does driving. There’s cruelty and waste all throughout capitalism - and we should do what we can to avoid as much of it as possible. Some things are in our personal control, such as choosing what we eat, where we shop, and reducing our personal waste through re-using things. Veganism is one part of activism, not the whole. I can totally agree that “vegan leather” is awful and instead of buying plastic people can use what they already have, or simply put not buy leather OR pleather products. I do, however, still take issue with treating other sentient living creatures as if they are products for us to own and use however we want, with no regard to their own desires, and with no autonomy over their own lives. If a human is raped, we consider that one of the worst things you can do to a person and if caught, the rapist will likely end up in prison for a very long time. But if you set up a factory to systematically forcibly impregnate millions of cows, take their children at birth and kill them, then harvest the milk they produced for those children for human consumption, then not only is that considered totally ethical by most people, but you’ll end up making a lot of money off that operation. Eugenics on humans is typically seen as unethical, but when we breed chickens to produce more meat so much that as they grow their legs break because they cannot handle their own body weight, that’s seen as fine and just business. When we throw millions of male chicks that aren’t useful as they won’t lay eggs, onto a conveyor belt that drops them into a box of spinning blades to chop them up, or put them into gas chambers, that’s just business. The worst possible things you could do to another person, you can do to an animal that feels many of the same things we feel, and it’s seen by the general population as totally fine because they like the fucking taste of a cheeseburger - even though they could just eat a black bean patty and a slice of fake cheese. And yeah, plant farming has it’s problems - and part of the advantage of not eating animals is that it takes less plants to eat just plants, then it does to eat animals - since you have to feed those animals too. We’re all part of this cycle, and there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but that doesn’t mean that animal agriculture is okay or should be supported in any way.
animals graze, and what crops they are fed are often crop-seconds or parts of plants that people can’t (or won’t) eat.
of course not. but it is probably ok, regardless of whether there is ethical consumption under capitalism