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- Original comment that was deleted with reason of “Tankie apologia”.
- When another user comments has suspicions of mods actions, Mod replies with this.
- Poster replies in exasperation explaining perspective, rationale, and offline experiences. Comment gets deleted and purged.
Explanation
The original comment I made was stating that alienation of someone by frustrating their political beliefs is not a way to convince them of anything.
That being their genuine friend goes a long way in helping someone rather then attacking them.
That together they both can work together for a better future.
That you can be annoyed, but that should be swallowed because that is what it means to be part of a community.
You will always be annoyed one way or another in a community, that is the beauty of a community, that there are different people that may annoy you slightly, but working together to still be a community.
The moderator disagrees with this, viewing it as “tankie apologia”.
When I replied, explaining why I made my post and my background, My post was removed and I was banned from the community.
Thank you @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com for reminding me on this missing context: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17251624
In my reply post, I wrote that “advocating for war on any country is not political flavoring”.
That cannot be swallowed, and one should not befriend such a person without sufficient care for ones own wellbeing.
I had wrote explicitly thinking of people who suport Russia against Ukraine, Israel over Palestine, and Assadists etc.
My purged comment also states that “people seeking to punish / attack LGBTQIA+ people is not political flavoring”.
I whole heartingly believe trans rights are human rights.
Free HRT and gender affirming care for all!
To remove an otherwise popular comment advocating for support what I feel are healthy behaviors, then name call someone as a “authoritarian” and a “tankie apologist” is disingenuous and corrupt to me.
Remedy
Personally I would like my comments restored so at least others see a different way of looking at things. I have no qualms with remaining banned.
Perhaps I should have not commented in reply to the mod, but they had already removed my post and I had little to lose.
Otherwise, I am very tired of this on the internet, I am tired of tribalism and the lack of empathy in this world.
What do you all think, should I have even made my original comment if I already knew it would be fruitless?
You sure put in a lot of effort to call yourself a humble authoritarian. I don’t believe there is some magic switch that can be pulled to achieve socialism over night, but a nation that commits all the same wrongs as a capitalist nation doesn’t seem like an upgrade of any kind. I’m not going to believe someone suppressing my rights is going to be able to deliver on any promise to implement socialism. I should note I’m mostly talking about states like the USSR and the CCP, and other so called communist states.
Anyways, you can’t do anything without unions. Communism won’t happen under dictatorship, nor through some “democracy” swamped by capitalism or whatever other horror people can conjure. Change can only be achieved by all of us working together, not under some tyrannical oligarchy or leader.
Of course the quality of life in the USSR was not an upgrade compared to already developed nations built on centuries of slavery and colonialism. It was, however, a major upgrade compared to Tsarist Russia. Likewise, this is even more pronounced in China, where the life expectancy under the Nationalists was in the 30’s, unchanged since ancient times with no signs of improvement - now it’s higher than that of the US. Since the 1980’s, China lifted 800 million people out of extreme poverty, which accounts for 3/4 of all poverty reduction in the world in that time. But China is still a middle-income country, so instead of looking at relative improvements, or at what realistic alternatives could’ve accomplished, it’s simply denounced as reactionary because it’s not “an upgrade,” as compared to what you’re used to.
Likewise, smaller states like Cuba and Vietnam have successfully overthrown colonial regimes and improved quality of life across many metrics, Cuba went from being mostly illiterate to having one of the highest numbers of doctors per capita in the world. Of course, these states have faced tremendous economic pressure from outside.
You’re evaluating all of these states not in their historical context of what they were like before and what alternative paths they could’ve taken, but against this ideal of achieving communism. Of course, in addition to states that use the label of socialism, there are also those who don’t use that label at all and have no pretenses of having communism as their aim. For example, Mohammad Mossadegh of Iran, who I mentioned previously, was in no way a socialist and had no alignment with the USSR or any other socialist state, he just wanted the profits of Iran’s oil to go to the Iranian people, to improve their quality of life. Perhaps, had he been an evil authoritarian socialist, he would’ve taken measures to protect himself from being ousted from the CIA and succeeded in improving people’s lives. Instead, he did it your way and got replaced by a fascist who hunted down and exterminated leftists of all stripes for decades.
I’m well aware of what industrialization can achieve
Then you should also be aware of how bad it was that neither the Tsar, nor the KMT, nor Batista, nor the French colonizers, were willing to make the domestic investments in those respective countries necessary to achieve industrialization. And of how much of a difference it made that communists who were willing to do so came to power.
Do you believe I support capitalism?
Edit: I don’t.
In theory, of course not. You support a perfect, imagined ideal that never has to get to be tainted by contact with reality. In practice, yes, you oppose any realistic attempt to establish an alternative to the current capitalist hegemony, which is functionally the same as supporting capitalism
Also, does supporting the US get someone banned from 196?
Our rules specifically call out supporting or denying any genocide, etc etc. We aren’t without nuance. We disallow someone denying the atrocities the CCP commits. This applies to the US as well. We would ban anyone for denying the genocide in Palestine, or for denying that the US dropped bombs on protesting workers etc. The point is that we are banning people for tankie rhetoric, not for having positive opinions on non-western countries.
I don’t know why I bother with someone so married to death and oppression.