I grow weary of this. We want the same thing–for people to be safe–and you’ve routinely implied otherwise.
From the very start, you twist and contort my (and, therefore, every other commenter on this post) opinion.
You are replying to a thread that is literally me replying to a comment mentioning ketamine’s dangers with frequent use, saying “correct”. What was that about bias, again?
However, it _is_ effective in the short term, which makes its short term use valid. Occasional recreational use is also valid.
I’m the troll and yet you won’t engage in an actual discussion? You are moment to moment demanding that everything you have said is correct or not understanding my point and yet you are wrong about so much, but won’t engage to find out so.
From the start, I say “occasional use” at most. That is a week between doses, minimum. This is safe, and this is a matter of fact.
You are acting with blatant superiority and pedantry on each individual word I say. You don’t respond as if it’s a conversation just a stomping ground for your ego.
You’re actually making yourself a big fat target by comparing chemicals to living organisms. You are acting with blatant superiority by conveniently inventing my opinion, so you can object. I say three times a month at most. You claim that’s a free endorsement of daily heavy use. You simply want to win a debate in which the other side is logically devoid.
Look at how you communicate and how you process to act like a singular source of truth in this world. It’s appalling and yet you act as if it’s correct because you are the one doing it.
I’m not. I hold the same opinion that everyone else here does. You are simply being wrong in this case by making outlandish claims about my own opinions (and everyone else here by extension), and justifying objecting to a point I never made by making even more outlandish claims.
Yes, slaver y and lots of things would later go on to be considered a bad method for accomplishing goals. That is my point on overly relying on drugs when especially there is already evidence as with Ketamine that it’s damaging to the body.
You’re acting as if I don’t know that ketamine is damaging to the body. I literally made a reply to a person saying that ketamine is dangerous with frequent use, and saying this is CORRECT.
I am not trying to bring up the point that ketamine is a very safe drug, and at no point did I do this. You are just a contrarian, and need a point to object to–so you invent it.
Insulin shock was a way of treating psychosis and so was giving people malaria to give them a fever strong enough to damage the brain. You don’t understand the points being made so you act like you are better informed when you respond with nonsense. Look at all your own smarmy interjections as if they validate you more.
Insulin is a hormone, and malaria is a LITERAL DISEASE. Apart from the fact that I never said ketamine is safe to use daily, you are trying to compare the danger of ketamine to quite literally injecting a parasite into the body, and causing an infection. This is a ludicrous argument, and it is disinformation. Confirmation bias will not change the fact that you stand alone.
You aren’t as informed as you think you are and you aren’t solo in deciding what is good in this world. Other people can have opinions and knowledge you don’t.
I am very well informed, as this has been my focus for the greater part of five years by now, as I intend to be a leader in reform for how drugs are marketed. This is merely the start. It is necessary for my goal that I am well informed. I study drugs hours a day, and I’m writing an encyclopaedia dedicated to promoting clear, concise safety information, with accurate sources, so people don’t have to play the guessing game any more. You don’t think it’s an insult to practically say I’m intentionally trying to get people hurt?
My mother took ketamine on a medical prescription and it ruined her body. She had to get physical therapy to use her hands again to be able to pick up objects.
Do you not think that is exactly what I stand against? I’m tired of this type of point, like I don’t recognise victims of the very same system I oppose. I started by saying occasional (infrequent) use, and a prescription is the opposite of that. The fact is that frequent use is unsafe, and this information is easy to find (and it should be extremely obvious that a substance has harm potential). Yet, prescriptions remain common, because this is the United States, and the government never cared about public safety. It’s all about that precious money. It is people like me who call for rigorous testing of drugs, so that prescriptions don’t become popular for unhealthy drugs.
The original point was about antidepressive drugs. I said ketamine was rather dangerous, and psychedelics are better. We have substantial proof that psychedelics are extremely safe, and we should opt for that. End of story.
Stop being a jerk that thinks they are superior and swaps to whatever opinion let’s them talk down to others.
Stop being inflammatory. You compared drugs to viral infections and slandered me by claiming I’m openly advertising that people should abuse drugs. This echoes the behaviour of a Fox News anchor.
You may have changed your mind but you clearly haven’t stopped being rude and dismissive of others.
I don’t normally interact with people calling eukaryotes a chemical compound. I am not being dismissive, you’ve failed to bring an argument to the table.
I don’t care about who you were and it’s unnecessary in this conversation you bring it up as a shield to deflect that you are being a jerk here and now.
It is necessary to bring up because you are the one claiming that I’m unwilling to change my opinion, ever. I am. I simply stand against contorting words, as you have done. I am defending myself, and you don’t like the fact I’m allowed to do that.
God help us all.
Original comment: Remember the history behind the war on drugs, and don’t let Musk own ketamine. The meaning of this statement is to not let Musk’s behaviour surrounding ketamine discount the fact that there exists a fine line you can walk where ketamine is helpful. That is using it, once, for a depressive episode.
A reply from another commenter that frequent use is dangerous. Plus, a well-known and excepted source for evidence of this. I don’t believe evidence is necessary to prove ketamine is toxic when used frequently, but a paper is good.
Me replying to the comment saying that KETAMINE BEING USED FREQUENTLY IS TOXIC, but its infrequent use (less than three times per month) is, indeed, safe, hence my original point.
Then, you come in, slander me with accusations that I’m openly calling for people to use drugs frequently. You started this. There were no unreasonable claims made until you came along. I was having an actual discussion, and now I have to prove that I somehow didn’t say that people should use meth every hour of every day.
Unbelievable. I have never seen a more fundamentally broken point in my life, and I mean it.
You’ve put so many words in my mouth, and I haven’t put any in yours. You stated I made a point that I never did. You compared a point that was never made to archaic medical procedures. I respond to the rest of the comment as is, without saying you’re claiming that people should never use drugs, which is a point you never made.
I do not get it. This is the only argument I’ve ever seen of this sort, and it’s clear why–it’s logically devoid. A hundred and twenty people agree with my original point, and this post is filled with people, in good nature, making similar points. This is heartwarming as it means that people are listening and are understanding. In comes you, inflating my words seemingly just to get a ruse out of me. Well, congratulations–you did it.
I will engage in actual discussion, but I want an actual argument, and to not have my words twisted. When you do, you will agree with me, because you will see that I am making a fair and reasonable point, the same that everyone else is, and not whatever ghost you’re fighting against. That only happens when you read my point, and not the point that was never made.
From the very start, you twist and contort my (and, therefore, every other commenter on this post) opinion.
No this is a conversation between us on your words. You insist that you have the backing of everyone when that is an absolute that is disproven by my very nature of being here and disagreeing. Don’t use a bias to cover your own logic.
say “occasional use” at most. That is a week between doses, minimum. This is safe, and this is a matter of fact.
You didn’t specify what occasional is and it is not a matter of fact.
making yourself a big fat target by comparing chemicals to living organisms
You insist I am a target instead of a person conversing. It’s rude. And by comparing medical procedures. A point you insist on making.
I say three times a month at most.
You have just said that now. Not previously when given a chance to specify. You act indignant while ignoring that you don’t specify because you feel safe in your generalized statements that everyone will agree with you. Well I don’t on all that you said and pushed back and here you are doing this show as if you have always been right and said everything correctly.
There is no correct and you can try to editorialize this conversation but it will not work as you can not edit me so easily. This tactic of breaking down everything to prove you are right about every point is awful and a rather bad tactic for talking to people. You very specifically are putting words in my mouth by trying to edit each thing I say from your perspective alone.
I don’t think you realize, but you are absolutely the one with a bad tactic and a rude know-it-all attitude here as this continues on and on with you. You can defend yourself all you want but it doesn’t yet change that you misunderstand and insist your correctness before any conversation has happened.
You easily make others the villain and some target for you to look down and squash from your place of (let me check) upvotes. Congrats. I truly don’t care about it and it does not work to make your point for you. You are still the unreasonable person here immediately jumping to tactics that are best seen by those that want to be right rather be actually informed.
Yeah you grow weary cause you don’t know how to talk to people.
This is a terrible response.
I have not implied otherwise by the way I just disagree on the methods and specifics which you refuse to accept. You twist my meaning the same way you insist I twist yours by responding to your actual words instead of your ego.
Referring to your upvotes proves you take the wrong opionions and are swayed by whatever gives you confirmation.
It is by your actions that you are responding this way. And insiting that I agree with you and no other option. You can also chose to try a different tactic at any point. Do not blame me for yourself and how you continue to respond.
I grow weary of this. We want the same thing–for people to be safe–and you’ve routinely implied otherwise.
From the very start, you twist and contort my (and, therefore, every other commenter on this post) opinion.
From the start, I say “occasional use” at most. That is a week between doses, minimum. This is safe, and this is a matter of fact.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2009.02761.x
You’re actually making yourself a big fat target by comparing chemicals to living organisms. You are acting with blatant superiority by conveniently inventing my opinion, so you can object. I say three times a month at most. You claim that’s a free endorsement of daily heavy use. You simply want to win a debate in which the other side is logically devoid.
I’m not. I hold the same opinion that everyone else here does. You are simply being wrong in this case by making outlandish claims about my own opinions (and everyone else here by extension), and justifying objecting to a point I never made by making even more outlandish claims.
You’re acting as if I don’t know that ketamine is damaging to the body. I literally made a reply to a person saying that ketamine is dangerous with frequent use, and saying this is CORRECT.
I am not trying to bring up the point that ketamine is a very safe drug, and at no point did I do this. You are just a contrarian, and need a point to object to–so you invent it.
Insulin is a hormone, and malaria is a LITERAL DISEASE. Apart from the fact that I never said ketamine is safe to use daily, you are trying to compare the danger of ketamine to quite literally injecting a parasite into the body, and causing an infection. This is a ludicrous argument, and it is disinformation. Confirmation bias will not change the fact that you stand alone.
I am very well informed, as this has been my focus for the greater part of five years by now, as I intend to be a leader in reform for how drugs are marketed. This is merely the start. It is necessary for my goal that I am well informed. I study drugs hours a day, and I’m writing an encyclopaedia dedicated to promoting clear, concise safety information, with accurate sources, so people don’t have to play the guessing game any more. You don’t think it’s an insult to practically say I’m intentionally trying to get people hurt?
Do you not think that is exactly what I stand against? I’m tired of this type of point, like I don’t recognise victims of the very same system I oppose. I started by saying occasional (infrequent) use, and a prescription is the opposite of that. The fact is that frequent use is unsafe, and this information is easy to find (and it should be extremely obvious that a substance has harm potential). Yet, prescriptions remain common, because this is the United States, and the government never cared about public safety. It’s all about that precious money. It is people like me who call for rigorous testing of drugs, so that prescriptions don’t become popular for unhealthy drugs.
The original point was about antidepressive drugs. I said ketamine was rather dangerous, and psychedelics are better. We have substantial proof that psychedelics are extremely safe, and we should opt for that. End of story.
Stop being inflammatory. You compared drugs to viral infections and slandered me by claiming I’m openly advertising that people should abuse drugs. This echoes the behaviour of a Fox News anchor.
I don’t normally interact with people calling eukaryotes a chemical compound. I am not being dismissive, you’ve failed to bring an argument to the table.
It is necessary to bring up because you are the one claiming that I’m unwilling to change my opinion, ever. I am. I simply stand against contorting words, as you have done. I am defending myself, and you don’t like the fact I’m allowed to do that.
God help us all.
Original comment: Remember the history behind the war on drugs, and don’t let Musk own ketamine. The meaning of this statement is to not let Musk’s behaviour surrounding ketamine discount the fact that there exists a fine line you can walk where ketamine is helpful. That is using it, once, for a depressive episode.
A reply from another commenter that frequent use is dangerous. Plus, a well-known and excepted source for evidence of this. I don’t believe evidence is necessary to prove ketamine is toxic when used frequently, but a paper is good.
Me replying to the comment saying that KETAMINE BEING USED FREQUENTLY IS TOXIC, but its infrequent use (less than three times per month) is, indeed, safe, hence my original point.
Then, you come in, slander me with accusations that I’m openly calling for people to use drugs frequently. You started this. There were no unreasonable claims made until you came along. I was having an actual discussion, and now I have to prove that I somehow didn’t say that people should use meth every hour of every day.
Unbelievable. I have never seen a more fundamentally broken point in my life, and I mean it.
You’ve put so many words in my mouth, and I haven’t put any in yours. You stated I made a point that I never did. You compared a point that was never made to archaic medical procedures. I respond to the rest of the comment as is, without saying you’re claiming that people should never use drugs, which is a point you never made.
I do not get it. This is the only argument I’ve ever seen of this sort, and it’s clear why–it’s logically devoid. A hundred and twenty people agree with my original point, and this post is filled with people, in good nature, making similar points. This is heartwarming as it means that people are listening and are understanding. In comes you, inflating my words seemingly just to get a ruse out of me. Well, congratulations–you did it.
I will engage in actual discussion, but I want an actual argument, and to not have my words twisted. When you do, you will agree with me, because you will see that I am making a fair and reasonable point, the same that everyone else is, and not whatever ghost you’re fighting against. That only happens when you read my point, and not the point that was never made.
I knew this was a waste of time.
No this is a conversation between us on your words. You insist that you have the backing of everyone when that is an absolute that is disproven by my very nature of being here and disagreeing. Don’t use a bias to cover your own logic.
You didn’t specify what occasional is and it is not a matter of fact.
You insist I am a target instead of a person conversing. It’s rude. And by comparing medical procedures. A point you insist on making.
You have just said that now. Not previously when given a chance to specify. You act indignant while ignoring that you don’t specify because you feel safe in your generalized statements that everyone will agree with you. Well I don’t on all that you said and pushed back and here you are doing this show as if you have always been right and said everything correctly.
There is no correct and you can try to editorialize this conversation but it will not work as you can not edit me so easily. This tactic of breaking down everything to prove you are right about every point is awful and a rather bad tactic for talking to people. You very specifically are putting words in my mouth by trying to edit each thing I say from your perspective alone.
I don’t think you realize, but you are absolutely the one with a bad tactic and a rude know-it-all attitude here as this continues on and on with you. You can defend yourself all you want but it doesn’t yet change that you misunderstand and insist your correctness before any conversation has happened.
You easily make others the villain and some target for you to look down and squash from your place of (let me check) upvotes. Congrats. I truly don’t care about it and it does not work to make your point for you. You are still the unreasonable person here immediately jumping to tactics that are best seen by those that want to be right rather be actually informed.
Yeah you grow weary cause you don’t know how to talk to people.
This is a terrible response.
I have not implied otherwise by the way I just disagree on the methods and specifics which you refuse to accept. You twist my meaning the same way you insist I twist yours by responding to your actual words instead of your ego. Referring to your upvotes proves you take the wrong opionions and are swayed by whatever gives you confirmation.
It is by your actions that you are responding this way. And insiting that I agree with you and no other option. You can also chose to try a different tactic at any point. Do not blame me for yourself and how you continue to respond.
Like I said, this was a pointless discussion.
Blocked.
As if it was ever a discussion with you.