I’m South African and from where I’m standing, both New Zealand and Australia seem to be popular places to move to. I’m not going to claim that most white South Africans aren’t conservative bigots because I would be lying. But there are also a lot of good reasons to leave this place, I’m afraid.
My sister lives in NZ (for no reason other than she met her now husband who is a Kiwi while traveling overseas after school). And after being there for a visit, it’s hard to put into the words how it feels to experience a country where things are actually run well. And there’s no trash anywhere. And even the toilets are modern and efficient (something I noticed because there was a drought in South Africa at the time so I was watching flushes). And you can walk down the road with headphones on, listening to music on your phone without looking over your shoulder in case you get mugged (which I have been 3 times now).
Coming back to South Africa and driving down a road filled with trash and stray dogs, I could actually almost physically see and feel the black cloud coming over me again. And it hits me hard because having spent my childhood in the '90s when Mandela had been released and the ANC was taking over, I had huge hope back then. As a child, I bought into the hype hard. And one Jacob Zuma later, it’s all fucked.
But yeah, fuck these racist farmers. I’m gonna sound a bit heartless here but I went to boarding school in a conservative shithole one horse town. And wherever a farm murder occurred (which was twice or three times over the course of me being there I think), there was never a time where there weren’t whispers about how those farmers treated their workers like borderline sub humans. I’m not condoning murder but I think our society will be better off without the people who live like it’s still 1980 and apartheid.
I wouldn’t want them to go to the USA though because I like a lot of Americans and they’ve already got their own backwards hillbilly confederates to deal with. I don’t think it’s fair that they get more.
Oh come on now. Surely you’ve heard that expression before. I’m actually tempted to just block you because you’re either a troll or just looking for a stick to beat the dog with and clearly not joining this conversation in any good faith.
You said it, not me. I’m not a troll . You make some good points, but if you’re white, and your family has been in SA for a few generations, you know why your family was there.
So what are you trying to get at here then? You read paragraphs of me clearly condemning racism but got stuck on the common fucking English phrase for describing depression because it contains the word “black”. Even if you’ve never heard the phrase before and you’ve never seen a thunder cloud in your life, I’m sure that you’re literate enough to have surmised from the rest of my post that it wasn’t a racist statement. But you decided to come along and accuse me anyway.
What else do you actually want me to do? Kill myself? Not sure how else I could please you here.
Having grown up in '90s South Africa, I’ve been trained to judge people on an individual basis as I encounter them and by whatever group they belong to because of where they happened to be born without choosing. And going by an individual basis here, you just seem like a fucking asshole to me.
And I wish this app I use could tag users so that I can spot you in future and remember that you’re the person who decided to come along and pick on a phrase with the sole goal of making me feel even more like shit.
Ok ok, sorry. I picked up on something i shouldn’t have, and admit my mistake. I’m probably pushing my own guilt on you. Lots of complicated reasons why, but I should not be lashing out. Sorry.
It’s all good, I’m sure that I’m not innocent of doing the same thing once in a while. And tensions are understandably high. Honestly I feel ashamed of saying where I’m from in the left wing spaces that I like to spend time because whenever people are talking about South Africa, it’s never about anything good. So I understand. And I’m glad we could resolve things.
I’m South African and from where I’m standing, both New Zealand and Australia seem to be popular places to move to. I’m not going to claim that most white South Africans aren’t conservative bigots because I would be lying. But there are also a lot of good reasons to leave this place, I’m afraid.
My sister lives in NZ (for no reason other than she met her now husband who is a Kiwi while traveling overseas after school). And after being there for a visit, it’s hard to put into the words how it feels to experience a country where things are actually run well. And there’s no trash anywhere. And even the toilets are modern and efficient (something I noticed because there was a drought in South Africa at the time so I was watching flushes). And you can walk down the road with headphones on, listening to music on your phone without looking over your shoulder in case you get mugged (which I have been 3 times now).
Coming back to South Africa and driving down a road filled with trash and stray dogs, I could actually almost physically see and feel the black cloud coming over me again. And it hits me hard because having spent my childhood in the '90s when Mandela had been released and the ANC was taking over, I had huge hope back then. As a child, I bought into the hype hard. And one Jacob Zuma later, it’s all fucked.
But yeah, fuck these racist farmers. I’m gonna sound a bit heartless here but I went to boarding school in a conservative shithole one horse town. And wherever a farm murder occurred (which was twice or three times over the course of me being there I think), there was never a time where there weren’t whispers about how those farmers treated their workers like borderline sub humans. I’m not condoning murder but I think our society will be better off without the people who live like it’s still 1980 and apartheid.
I wouldn’t want them to go to the USA though because I like a lot of Americans and they’ve already got their own backwards hillbilly confederates to deal with. I don’t think it’s fair that they get more.
“Black cloud” wow.
Oh come on now. Surely you’ve heard that expression before. I’m actually tempted to just block you because you’re either a troll or just looking for a stick to beat the dog with and clearly not joining this conversation in any good faith.
You said it, not me. I’m not a troll . You make some good points, but if you’re white, and your family has been in SA for a few generations, you know why your family was there.
So what are you trying to get at here then? You read paragraphs of me clearly condemning racism but got stuck on the common fucking English phrase for describing depression because it contains the word “black”. Even if you’ve never heard the phrase before and you’ve never seen a thunder cloud in your life, I’m sure that you’re literate enough to have surmised from the rest of my post that it wasn’t a racist statement. But you decided to come along and accuse me anyway.
What else do you actually want me to do? Kill myself? Not sure how else I could please you here.
Having grown up in '90s South Africa, I’ve been trained to judge people on an individual basis as I encounter them and by whatever group they belong to because of where they happened to be born without choosing. And going by an individual basis here, you just seem like a fucking asshole to me.
And I wish this app I use could tag users so that I can spot you in future and remember that you’re the person who decided to come along and pick on a phrase with the sole goal of making me feel even more like shit.
Ok ok, sorry. I picked up on something i shouldn’t have, and admit my mistake. I’m probably pushing my own guilt on you. Lots of complicated reasons why, but I should not be lashing out. Sorry.
It’s all good, I’m sure that I’m not innocent of doing the same thing once in a while. And tensions are understandably high. Honestly I feel ashamed of saying where I’m from in the left wing spaces that I like to spend time because whenever people are talking about South Africa, it’s never about anything good. So I understand. And I’m glad we could resolve things.