Since the election, you have probably heard a lot about FAFO (“f--- around and find out”). It’s the idea that voting is a choice and voters must face the consequences of their choices. If you are, say, a poor person, you shouldn’t have voted for Donald Trump or any Republican, because in the end, th...
We had plenty of evidence from the first time Trump was elected that showed a massive amount of his base actually wasn’t dirt poor voting against their own interests, but actually relatively well-to-do. I think the “dirt poor” thing about Trump voters is a convenient lie liberals tell themselves to make themselves feel better than these people.
Every shitty boss and middle manager I’ve ever had was conservative. They’ve always made way more money than me while doing fucking hardly anything I wasn’t capable of doing.
Every time you saw one of those MAGA freaks complaining about the cost of food, and looked at photos of their actual grocery carts, it’s like these people had never considered the cost of food before. All of it’s high-end food that they’re bitching about being expensive.
It’s time to stop lying to ourselves about it. A significant portion of Trump voters are middle manager fuckheads who already have control over other people’s lives and like it that way. They’re firmly voting in their interests when their interests are “I get to abuse my employees and it makes me feel like a big man.”
It depends on the industry. I install electronic security systems, and I’m on construction sites quite a lot. 95% of the white guys there are MAGA fans, and often talk shit about the very same Latino workers that are working alongside them hanging drywall. They won’t do it openly. They’ll wait until they’re in a group of only white dudes or scribble slurs on the walls of the portable toilets.
It sickens me sometimes how they’ll punch down on someone while not being that much better off than them.
-Lyndon B. Johnson
I agree completely but the workers outnumber those managers by 10 to 1 at a minimum. The rich Trumpers had no direct effect on the election. That’s why they use their money to buy all mainstream media.
The poor are stupid and have a bad memory. They completely forgot that they had to fight for toilet paper under Trump.
And that’s not who I am talking about.
Just people with the title “manager” take up abut 16 million citizens in the USA. You’re telling me that a significant chunk of middling-pay managers at your shitty local warehouses (which are almost all owned by conservatives) are somehow not able to impact an election that barely 77 million people voted in? If it was all of them, that accounts for 20% of the people who voted.
This is what I mean, you’re lying to yourself about how many of them have such positions in society. They’re not rich but they’re not poor by any stretch either. They’re at best small-town-rich.
It’s a stretch to say every rich person voted and no poor. Most of the states with the highest incomes were Blue.
But even if that was the case that every rich person voted and they all voted for Trump, someone poor intentionally not voting was a vote for Trump.
You’re absolutely right. While he’s got a sizable chunk of lower income people voting for him, he’s also got a huge amount of people with money or privilege voting for him so that they can continue to be shitty to other people. A disturbingly large segment of the country wants this, regardless of class or economic status. And some of them when they inevitably get, I won’t feel bad for them at all. I’ll reserve that for the rest of us, who tried to make things better for everyone.
I hadn’t paid that much attention to their grocery carts, but I still think the economic anxiety argument holds weight. They look at their grocery carts and rising prices and they get anxious, because they know how tenuous their hold on their economic status is. They didn’t want to lose that status, because they know how badly the next lower rungs are treated and they didn’t want that for their family
We voted for Kamala and we’re well enough off to not have to worry about any reasonable grocery costs. Unless you’re talking really luxury goods like expensive cuts of meat, sea food, wine, etc. We don’t make crazy money, just a couple, each with a background and career in engineering. But we’re fortunate enough that as long as we’re talking reasonable foods, anything down out the local WinCo is within our budget. We don’t have a weekly grocery budget, as long as we’re reasonable about it, we can afford the ingredients for pretty much any recipe we want to make.
And yet, we also got hit by grocery prices the same as everyone else. We weren’t posting videos complaining about it, but it definitely showed up at the end of the month. We decreased our meat consumption a bit, but otherwise our habits spending habits have been mostly unchanged through the inflation crisis. (At least so far.)
But the thing is, when I see the grocery prices, I’m not really worried about us. We weren’t handed wealth. We each started broke right out of college and have lived pretty rather frugally in comparison to most of our peers of similar income. We started are careers at the rice and beans level and built our way up. And we went through every level of income between there and here. I know what it’s like to have a tight budget and have to live on nothing, because I’ve been there before. And my real thoughts and concern were not for myself, but for the people who were living at the rice and beans level before the crisis hit.
That is what has me concerned about the grocery and other price inflation. Even if you yourself can afford nice things today, unless you’re some trust fund kid, you probably clawed your way up the economic ladder to get where you are. You know what it is like to live at lower income levels, because you have done so. And if you can feel the impact of inflation on your budget, anyone with an iota of empathy will immediately think back to an earlier stage in their own life, and how a 50%+ inflation crisis would have affected them then.
This is it in my experience. The fact that said treatment is largely the fault of them and people like them is often lost on them however.
That explains why I’m not a middle manager anymore.