ik that Biden isn’t re-running, but Kamala is basically the same from the macro pov

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    Is your moral grandstanding worth the lives it’ll cost?

    You’re the one arguing in support of a situation where innocent people are dying right now. If killing based on group identity is wrong, as you say, then this is wrong.

     

    whole host of new issues for queer people and people of color

    This isn’t an either/or situation. We don’t have to sacrifice Palestinians (and Lebanese, and any other groups of civilians who become involved because Israel decides to do so) - including queer and of colour members of those communities - for our own safety.

    And, if this is an either/or situation, we do need to allow people in a far-off country to die for our safety: fuck it. I don’t deserve to be safe more than them. Take my safety and kill me. The human world is not one I want to live in any longer, if we must sacrifice innocents in one country just because of the accident of their birth.

     

    As you said elsewhere:

    Like when I asked one of my friends how he reconciled the idea that everyone who commits suicide goes to hell with the fact that our mutual friend committed suicide… He said God is omnibenevolent so logically him being in hell for eternity is a good thing.

    You clearly can’t reconcile the equivalent idea that people have to be killed just because of where they are. People should not be targeted with violence because they are queer, because they are of colour, or because they are in Palestine, Lebanon, or a similar country. Right?

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      Because of how First Past The Post voting works, it is an either/or situation. It’s just how the math works out. Democrats splitting their votes across multiple candidates means their influence is divided by the same amount. Republicans effectively have zero division in their party, so Democrats can’t afford to not vote for Kamala if they don’t want Trump to get more people killed.

      I understand being disgusted by the lack of options, but the fact of the matter is you can prevent Trump from making it worse. Or you can sit on your ass while Trump gets more people killed.

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        but the fact of the matter is you can prevent Trump from making it worse.

        No, I cannot.

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          Then stand by and watch him increase the death toll you claim to care about.

          I’ll vote for the candidate who wants a cease-fire, rather than let the one who wants Israel to “win” get into office.

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            I’ll vote for the candidate who wants a cease-fire

            I would definitely vote for a candidate who committed to pushing through a cease-fire, if I could vote. And if that person wasn’t Trump, because he’d be lying. And he wouldn’t say that anyway, because it’s not macho enough.