• Samvega
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    The fact that this vitriol gets votes tells us something about humanity.

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      No, I don’t agree with this at all. It tells us something about capitalism. It tells us something about how the U.S. are nowadays. Nothing more, nothing less.

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        I’m queer, an immigrant, and neurodivergent. My experience of the world is that people are not very nice.
        Please excuse me for not being able to replicate your hopefulness.

        It is a historical and psychological fact that hatred is a respectable political position across many countries, that it gets votes, and such candidates can win elections. It is not just ‘the U.S.’ and ‘nowadays’.

        Capitalism may well be involved. But hatred did not fail to exist in countries which tried to diverge from capitalism, no matter how unsuccessful their attempts were. You can also find historical records stretching back to feudalism showing similar issues.

        The common factor here is people.

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          Coincidentally, I’m also queer, an immigrant most of my life (since childhood actually and in several places), and I am most probably neurodivergent, but never had the money to check this out officially.

          I think understand what you say. Still, the way I see things if we do a statement/analysis mentioning humans I believe we are condemned to arrive to the wrong conclusions if we only take into account the dominant civilization/culture. Or see things through its narrative.

          I’m not saying to discard its importance. I’m just saying it’s equally important to take into consideration broader inputs through time and space, to try to have a clearer picture.

          Something like that.

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            I’m just saying it’s equally important to take into consideration broader inputs through time and space

            I’m a psychologist. I need evidence. Even in small groups not so clearly defined by capitalist power structures, people can (and do) wage wars of personality against each other for what they believe to be status gain.

            I suspect enough people will do whatever they can to get what they want that the human world will always be defined by that harm. People aren’t even overall motivated to abandon the convenience of driving everywhere to help ensure that their descendants will have a future, when they say they love their own children. People aren’t even overall motivated to feed hungry children, when they say that children should be fed. There’s a disconnect between morality and the world because people find it easier to put up with a shit world than to put in the work to make it better.