• Sop
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    Wanting to ban mosques, the quran and muslim clothing like niqabs sounds pretty fascist to me (that’s what the biggest political party in The Netherlands wants). Thinking the European far right (that is rapidly gaining grounds) isn’t fascist or fascist leaning is a wild take.

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      Unfortunately most leftist parties in Europe suffer from the paradox of tolerance. And rightists are hypocritical in opposing Islam but supporting Christianity. There’s nobody anti-islamic who’s not a fascist, which is ironic since in some ways they are quite similar, and both are harmful to humanity.

      (And to make it clear before you accuse me of being fascist, I oppose the currently dominant version of Islam which is not separable from politics, and which insists on actual belief in god and quran. Once it becomes a weakly held cultural category like Christianity in most of Europe I’ll be fine with it)

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        “There’s nobody anti-islamic who’s not a fascis”

        I’m sorry but you can be violently anti-religion without being a fascist. Considering religions for what they are - a way to dominate the people by fear anddesinformation - does not mean that you are going to prevent people from practicing their religion. You are just making damn sure they don’t advocate them in public schools, hospitals and administrations.

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          I’m sorry but you can be violently anti-religion without being a fascist.

          Yes, that was exactly my point. I’m complaining that in the current political scene there are no parties that separate those ideas.
          And yes, banning the public display will only make it go underground and become stronger, this is why it’s so important to separate anti-religion from fascism.

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          Actually, no you can’t. What you are doing is substituting your political beliefs for your religious ones, and that at its core is what separates a facist from any other political belief system

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              That’s the problem with both religion and politics. If you think you’re right and everyone else is wrong, you can’t help but to I fringe on other people’s right to practice. That’s why anyone that thinks a leftist government can be a democracy with opposition political parties is at best wrong

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        Where in Europe do you consider islam to be more than a ‘cultural category like Christianity’? Most European countries have large Christian conservative political parties that are preventing trans people from getting the medical care they need and women from having ownership of their bodies when they’re pregnant.

        As a trans person fundamentalist Christians are a much bigger threat to me than fundamentalist muslims. I experience solidarity from muslims who know what it’s like to be marginalised and discriminated against. There are muslim people who would like to restrict my determination over my own body, but there are way more Christians in my country who would like to do the same and they pose and actual threat to me.

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      Well it could be a fascist, but nevertheless on which category they are really in, it’s really awful for doing this