• Gabadabs
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    What’s happening in Gaza is being directly funded by all of our taxes, there’s not a particular location that the protesting needs to be done, it just needs to be done.

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      If you want to protest tax dollars, take it to the Mall in D.C. and shut down their infrastructure.

      If you actually care about what’s happening in Gaza, take it to Tel Aviv.

      Anything else is a pointless “look at me!” protest.

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        lol “if you wanna protest, literally travel across the whole ass country or the world. Nothing local matters.”

        You’re either a supporter of Israel or you don’t know history. I can’t think of any other way to get to what you just posted.

        So do you support Israel or do you not understand how every expansion of civil rights in the 20th and 21st century were won?

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          Local very much matters, for local issues. See the protests directly in Ferguson for example.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

          The related protests outside Ferguson accomplished fuck all.

          If the issue is an international issue, a local protest means and accomplishes NOTHING other than a mild inconvenience for people completely unrelated to the problem.

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            You don’t think the nationwide protests and international reaction to the killing of Michael brown had any effect.

            Would you say there was any effect when politicians and police in areas outside furgeson had to make statements in response to the protests in their regions?

            Do you think catapulting blm to the national level and international recognition had any effect?

            Since you said a local protest means nothing if the issue is international do you think that the various anti war protests throughout Americas 20th and 21st centuries have meant anything?

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                Do you think that those politicians had any effect while in office?

                Since you said a local protest means nothing if the issue is international do you think that the various anti war protests throughout Americas 20th and 21st centuries have meant anything?

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                  Some protests did, some did not. None of the Iraq war protests in the 90s or 00s had any impact whatsoever.

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                    Worldwide protests before the American invasion of Iraq were the cause of would be coalition members reluctance and the reason Colin Powell had to get up in front of the un and lie.

                    Worldwide opposition to the global war on terror is the reason the consent manufacturing machine ran so hot and, as a consequence, is the reason no one trusts media anymore.

                    It was no coincidence that figures like obama and trump rose to prominence in American politics after early criticism of universally decried foreign action came to light.

                    Even in entertainment, the Israeli “shoot and cry” format was adopted in order to synthesize domestic opposition to the war into more acceptable sympathy for the troops.

                    If, like Korea, either gwot or shield/storm had been even just domestic propaganda victories we wouldn’t have experienced such huge shifts and would be living in a different world.

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        Not everyone can just ship themselves off to DC and like, shut down infrastructure. Let alone travel internationally. Being in a financial position where you can do that is an incredibly privileged position to be in. We have to do what we can, where we are to make change - and for people living in LA that means protesting in LA. A lot of protesting IS about visibility, and doing it so you can be noticed is far from pointless! Blocking traffic anywhere in this country is directly making sure that you and your message cannot be ignored.

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            You really haven’t established that that’s the case. Wherever you protest, you’re getting visibility and costing the state money to manage.